Music industry wins case

Von Tonner · 10-07-07, 02:36 AM

This woman must be feeling sick. How on earth is she ever going to pay of this amount? To me the fine is way over the top.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...ews__business/

SUBMAN1 · 10-07-07, 03:14 AM

It is way over the top, but most likely will be overturned.

What I don't get - $25 in music should maybe equal 10x, but at max, 100x in damages. no? Something is way out of whack here.

-S

kiwi_2005 · 10-07-07, 12:12 PM

Maybe they got to get the message out loud and clear:hmm: $220,000 would stop anyone from downloading, imagine if it was a $5000 fine, Music downloaders would laugh and download some more.

bradclark1 · 10-07-07, 12:31 PM

What's really screwed up is that it was by a jury.

Jimbuna · 10-07-07, 04:00 PM

Do a jury in the US judicial system set the tariff ? :hmm:

In the UK a jury only determines the verdict and the judge sets the tariff

d@rk51d3 · 10-07-07, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

What's really screwed up is that it was by a jury.

Probably all with I-pods in pocket, full of downloaded content.

bookworm_020 · 10-07-07, 07:26 PM

It could have been a lot worse, the maxium fine she could have got would have been alot higher!

I wonder how many of the others who were going to contest their downloading in cort are going to settle?

CB.. · 10-07-07, 07:53 PM

this has been said before i know (and by the record companies themselves on occasion) but they are fighting the inevitable...they started it..by going digital...they have to resign themselves to the changing nature of the digital world..

it's all about plumetting "record" sales...now i am going to have to speak purely as an older person here ...but i just haven't heard anything produced recently (in the last fifteen years in fact lol) that just didn't immediately remind me of something else...how many times is it possible to listen to the latest "new" thing only to find it just sounds like half a cupfull of the who..a dash of led zeppellin..a smidgem of the rolling stones...or perhaps more recently same as above but replace with any number of punk/new wave bands...magazine/ramones/etc etc...there's only so many times you can tell yourself this is original music before you lose the will to live lol....what went wrong eh??? when did the younger generations get too scared to create their own music? or maybe at the same time when did the recod companies get too scared to sign genuinely original bands???

if so the record companies have made their own beds...so now they have to lie in them.. sales are dropping because well what's the point?? why buy another "such and such" clone?? it's crap stop it..we've heard it all before...

mind you i really lost interest in music with the wholesale switch to CD's...i went out and spent a small fortune on new audio equipment...not once but several times...over the past decade or so..top notch CD players amps the lot...nothing....all that ever came out the speakers was elevator music...i actualy thought i had gone mad or something...i could listen to my favourite pieces of music and no reaction at all ...no emotion no hairs on the back of my neck..no goose bumps no reaction at all...just some neutered elevator music version of songs i thought i knew so well...

felt like running out into the streets and doing the famous scene from "invasion of the body snatchers" lol

must be some thing wrong with my ears...either that or i AM genuinely crazy..anyway i can't face going thru that again so haven't bothered much with music for a while...sounds like i am not on my own..bad enougth when they neuter your favourite old school original bands music..just adds insult to injury when the new stuff is just the old stuff rehashed and done as if it were some obscure form of kareoke....and your not actually supposed to NOTICE

Dowly · 10-07-07, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CB..

this has been said before i know (and by the record companies themselves on occasion) but they are fighting the inevitable...they started it..by going digital...they have to resign themselves to the changing nature of the digital world..

it's all about plumetting "record" sales...now i am going to have to speak purely as an older person here ...but i just haven't heard anything produced recently (in the last fifteen years in fact lol) that just didn't immediately remind me of something else...how many times is it possible to listen to the latest "new" thing only to find it just sounds like half a cupfull of the who..a dash of led zeppellin..a smidgem of the rolling stones...or perhaps more recently same as above but replace with any number of punk/new wave bands...magazine/ramones/etc etc...there's only so many times you can tell yourself this is original music before you lose the will to live lol....what went wrong eh??? when did the younger generations get too scared to create their own music? or maybe at the same time when did the recod companies get too scared to sign genuinely original bands???

if so the record companies have made their own beds...so now they have to lie in them.. sales are dropping because well what's the point?? why buy another "such and such" clone?? it's crap stop it..we've heard it all before...

Agreed.

SUBMAN1 · 10-07-07, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by CB..

this has been said before i know (and by the record companies themselves on occasion) but they are fighting the inevitable...they started it..by going digital...they have to resign themselves to the changing nature of the digital world..

it's all about plumetting "record" sales...now i am going to have to speak purely as an older person here ...but i just haven't heard anything produced recently (in the last fifteen years in fact lol) that just didn't immediately remind me of something else...how many times is it possible to listen to the latest "new" thing only to find it just sounds like half a cupfull of the who..a dash of led zeppellin..a smidgem of the rolling stones...or perhaps more recently same as above but replace with any number of punk/new wave bands...magazine/ramones/etc etc...there's only so many times you can tell yourself this is original music before you lose the will to live lol....what went wrong eh??? when did the younger generations get too scared to create their own music? or maybe at the same time when did the recod companies get too scared to sign genuinely original bands???

if so the record companies have made their own beds...so now they have to lie in them.. sales are dropping because well what's the point?? why buy another "such and such" clone?? it's crap stop it..we've heard it all before...

Agreed.

Me too!

-S

SUBMAN1 · 10-07-07, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

It could have been a lot worse, the maxium fine she could have got would have been alot higher!

I wonder how many of the others who were going to contest their downloading in cort are going to settle?

This is the problem - the punishment should fit the crime. If I walked into a music store and stole 2 CD's - the same # of songs this lady got prosecuted on, I would have had the crime probably dropped as a first offense, and very likely nothing would have happened to me except some sort of major warning. See my point?

I think the award is unconstitutional. This is the equivelent to getting life in prison, or getting executed for stealing a loaf of bread!

-S

Kapitan_Phillips · 10-08-07, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

this has been said before i know (and by the record companies themselves on occasion) but they are fighting the inevitable...they started it..by going digital...they have to resign themselves to the changing nature of the digital world..

it's all about plumetting "record" sales...now i am going to have to speak purely as an older person here ...but i just haven't heard anything produced recently (in the last fifteen years in fact lol) that just didn't immediately remind me of something else...how many times is it possible to listen to the latest "new" thing only to find it just sounds like half a cupfull of the who..a dash of led zeppellin..a smidgem of the rolling stones...or perhaps more recently same as above but replace with any number of punk/new wave bands...magazine/ramones/etc etc...there's only so many times you can tell yourself this is original music before you lose the will to live lol....what went wrong eh??? when did the younger generations get too scared to create their own music? or maybe at the same time when did the recod companies get too scared to sign genuinely original bands???

if so the record companies have made their own beds...so now they have to lie in them.. sales are dropping because well what's the point?? why buy another "such and such" clone?? it's crap stop it..we've heard it all before...

Precisely. Record sales are dropping because the music is ****e. Bands these days want all the money and all the glory but aren't prepared to really work and make something new. Its all two or three chords and singing about the time your girlfriend dumped you or 'macking' on some 'foshizzle booty'.

Frenssen · 10-08-07, 05:22 AM

I haven`t bought a CD in years. I listen to web radio and see local bands perform. The record industry makes me want to puke.

10-07-07, 02:36 AM	#1
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Music industry wins case This woman must be feeling sick. How on earth is she ever going to pay of this amount? To me the fine is way over the top. http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...ews__business/

10-07-07, 03:14 AM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It is way over the top, but most likely will be overturned. What I don't get - $25 in music should maybe equal 10x, but at max, 100x in damages. no? Something is way out of whack here. -S __________________

10-07-07, 12:12 PM	#3
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Maybe they got to get the message out loud and clear:hmm: $220,000 would stop anyone from downloading, imagine if it was a $5000 fine, Music downloaders would laugh and download some more. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

10-07-07, 04:00 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Do a jury in the US judicial system set the tariff ? :hmm: In the UK a jury only determines the verdict and the judge sets the tariff __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-07-07, 07:26 PM	#7
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It could have been a lot worse, the maxium fine she could have got would have been alot higher! I wonder how many of the others who were going to contest their downloading in cort are going to settle? __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-07-07, 12:31 PM	#4
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	What's really screwed up is that it was by a jury.

10-07-07, 07:53 PM	#8
CB.. Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,278 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	this has been said before i know (and by the record companies themselves on occasion) but they are fighting the inevitable...they started it..by going digital...they have to resign themselves to the changing nature of the digital world.. it's all about plumetting "record" sales...now i am going to have to speak purely as an older person here ...but i just haven't heard anything produced recently (in the last fifteen years in fact lol) that just didn't immediately remind me of something else...how many times is it possible to listen to the latest "new" thing only to find it just sounds like half a cupfull of the who..a dash of led zeppellin..a smidgem of the rolling stones...or perhaps more recently same as above but replace with any number of punk/new wave bands...magazine/ramones/etc etc...there's only so many times you can tell yourself this is original music before you lose the will to live lol....what went wrong eh??? when did the younger generations get too scared to create their own music? or maybe at the same time when did the recod companies get too scared to sign genuinely original bands??? if so the record companies have made their own beds...so now they have to lie in them.. sales are dropping because well what's the point?? why buy another "such and such" clone?? it's crap stop it..we've heard it all before... mind you i really lost interest in music with the wholesale switch to CD's...i went out and spent a small fortune on new audio equipment...not once but several times...over the past decade or so..top notch CD players amps the lot...nothing....all that ever came out the speakers was elevator music...i actualy thought i had gone mad or something...i could listen to my favourite pieces of music and no reaction at all ...no emotion no hairs on the back of my neck..no goose bumps no reaction at all...just some neutered elevator music version of songs i thought i knew so well... felt like running out into the streets and doing the famous scene from "invasion of the body snatchers" lol must be some thing wrong with my ears...either that or i AM genuinely crazy..anyway i can't face going thru that again so haven't bothered much with music for a while...sounds like i am not on my own..bad enougth when they neuter your favourite old school original bands music..just adds insult to injury when the new stuff is just the old stuff rehashed and done as if it were some obscure form of kareoke....and your not actually supposed to NOTICE __________________ the world's tinyiest sh3 supermod- and other SH3/SH2 stuff http://www.ebort2.co.uk/ The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B.Yeats Last edited by CB..; 10-07-07 at 08:16 PM.

10-08-07, 05:22 AM	#13
Frenssen Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 155 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I haven`t bought a CD in years. I listen to web radio and see local bands perform. The record industry makes me want to puke.