[TEC] Does the AI react to torpedo wakes?

LukeFF · 08-29-07, 02:39 AM

The reason I ask this is important. The Mark 18, a wakeless torpedo, came to be a widely-used weapon by the end of the war, credited with sinking over 1 million tons of shipping. However, I've heard reports from players saying the AI does not react to torpedo wakes. If that's the case, then there's no reason at all to use the Mark 18 (unless it can be fixed).

Comments?

Der Teddy Bar · 08-29-07, 02:48 AM

The AI does not see the gas torpedo's wake. This includes the escorts.

The cannot see your perscope outside of 250-300 metres.

sneekyzeke · 08-29-07, 04:00 AM

:hmm: Anyone have further references for this?

Ducimus · 08-29-07, 12:05 PM

Im going to take DTB's comments at face value, he knows his stuff in this regard.

sneekyzeke · 08-29-07, 01:26 PM

ok by me, thanks!

tater · 08-29-07, 01:32 PM

Making a test mission is straightforward.

Jap DD, hdg 180.

US sub, submerged, hdg 0, speed 0, 100 yards off the DD's track. Hit silent running. Fire fish without even taking a peek, go watch for reaction (listen, too, for the GQ sounds).

If they don;t react to that, they won't react period.

Then tweak the sensors to make them insanely good and try again.

That would definitively tell of if it's even possible.

Since you read many accounts of DDs dashing tot he launch point of fish, perhaps the launch noise (as detected by hydrophones) could be heavily bumped up. Course then they'd start evading before the wakes would have been possible to spot I guess.

tater

DyingCrow · 08-30-07, 08:41 PM

the only thing the AI do is zig zag manouvers when they come on a head to head approach (only sometimes, and its kinda effective), they dont dodge torpedoes at all. this would make some sense at night or stormy weather, but in normal conditions:hmm:...
thats why i love this tactic:
make a lotta noise to draw the targets attention, face him and hit back 2/3. he will speed up and come on a straight course to run you over, when hes at 500jj release 2 fish and watch him blow:rotfl:if there are more, you can then use the close wreck as cover.

08-29-07, 02:39 AM	#1
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	[TEC] Does the AI react to torpedo wakes? The reason I ask this is important. The Mark 18, a wakeless torpedo, came to be a widely-used weapon by the end of the war, credited with sinking over 1 million tons of shipping. However, I've heard reports from players saying the AI does not react to torpedo wakes. If that's the case, then there's no reason at all to use the Mark 18 (unless it can be fixed). Comments?

08-29-07, 04:00 AM	#3
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	hmmmmm... :hmm: Anyone have further references for this?

08-29-07, 02:48 AM	#2
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The AI does not see the gas torpedo's wake. This includes the escorts. The cannot see your perscope outside of 250-300 metres.

08-29-07, 12:05 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Im going to take DTB's comments at face value, he knows his stuff in this regard.

08-29-07, 01:26 PM	#5
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	ok by me, thanks!

08-29-07, 01:32 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Making a test mission is straightforward. Jap DD, hdg 180. US sub, submerged, hdg 0, speed 0, 100 yards off the DD's track. Hit silent running. Fire fish without even taking a peek, go watch for reaction (listen, too, for the GQ sounds). If they don;t react to that, they won't react period. Then tweak the sensors to make them insanely good and try again. That would definitively tell of if it's even possible. Since you read many accounts of DDs dashing tot he launch point of fish, perhaps the launch noise (as detected by hydrophones) could be heavily bumped up. Course then they'd start evading before the wakes would have been possible to spot I guess. tater

08-30-07, 08:41 PM	#7
DyingCrow Watch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	the only thing the AI do is zig zag manouvers when they come on a head to head approach (only sometimes, and its kinda effective), they dont dodge torpedoes at all. this would make some sense at night or stormy weather, but in normal conditions:hmm:... thats why i love this tactic: make a lotta noise to draw the targets attention, face him and hit back 2/3. he will speed up and come on a straight course to run you over, when hes at 500jj release 2 fish and watch him blow:rotfl:if there are more, you can then use the close wreck as cover.