Y2K bug did have a victim - Al Gore and Global Warming

[SUBMAN1]

Funny.

-S

Blogger Finds Y2K Bug in NASA Climate Data

Years of bad data corrected; 1998 no longer the warmest year on record

My earlier column this week detailed the work of a volunteer team to assess problems with US temperature data used for climate modeling. One of these people is Steve McIntyre, who operates the site climateaudit.org. While inspecting historical temperature graphs, he noticed a strange discontinuity, or "jump" in many locations, all occurring around the time of January, 2000.

These graphs were created by NASA's Reto Ruedy and James Hansen (who shot to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his views on climate change). Hansen refused to provide McKintyre with the algorithm used to generate graph data, so McKintyre reverse-engineered it. The result appeared to be a Y2K bug in the handling of the raw data.
McKintyre notified the pair of the bug; Ruedy replied and acknowledged the problem as an "oversight" that would be fixed in the next data refresh.

NASA has now silently released corrected figures, and the changes are truly astounding. The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II. Anthony Watts has put the new data in chart form, along with a more detailed summary of the events.

The effect of the correction on global temperatures is minor (some 1-2% less warming than originally thought), but the effect on the US global warming propaganda machine could be huge.

Then again-- maybe not. I strongly suspect this story will receive little to no attention from the mainstream media.

http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+Fin...rticle8383.htm

[Letum]

oh....ok.....
*burns fridges and tires*
*farts*

edit: Is WG still around? I'm starting to miss him!
/masochist blog

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

oh....ok.....
*burns fridges and tires*
*farts*

edit: Is WG still around? I'm starting to miss him!

I think methane is the greatest cause of GW, so quit it already!

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I think methane is the greatest cause of GW, so quit it already!

It's the chemical that traps the most heat (60x more than CO2), it is the biggest cause of the greenhouse effect but it doesn't cause climate change/global warming because there is nothing causing an imbalance in methane levels. As much goes into the atmosphere as comes out and it comes out quickly compared to CO2.

However when big natural methane hydrate and permafrost deposits have been released in the past there have been very, very big, yet brief, temperature rises.
No one quite knows what could cause methane hydrate and permafrost methane deposits to become unstable on a global scale.

However, if we do get a large, natural methane release then there is nothing we can do about it!


*edit* I wonder if that blog is by THE Michael Asher

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

...However, if we do get a large, natural methane release then there is nothing we can do about it!...

Sure there is something that you can do about it - Knocking off some cows comes to mind (eating grass and processing it in 7 stomach's creates much methane). Guess we will have to eat a lot of beef for a while!

-S

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Sure there is something that you can do about it - Knocking off some cows comes to mind (eating grass and processing it in 7 stomach's creates much methane). Guess we will have to eat a lot of beef for a while!

-S

hehe....we are talking about a few 100,000 years of cowpats trapped at the bottom of great rivers and ice shelfs here.

We could allways light a match to it...........:hmm:

[STEED]

We are still in the ice age people remember that.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

We could allways light a match to it...........:hmm:

FOOOOOOOMMMMMM! Does that about sum it up?


Actaully, I watched an artcle about that white frozen fuel source. Could solve the energy crisis for a while. It burns quite readily, even when frozen.

-S

[Skybird]

Some news not from 7 years back.

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/20...requency.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6929668.stm

[Letum]

Yup!
It's Global Climate Change that is important.
Not Global Warming.

[samniTe]

are people still denying global warming?










my god.

Originally Posted by samniTe

are people still denying global warming?










my god.

Check it out samniTe.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?t=114748t

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by samniTe

are people still denying global warming?

my god.

I don't think anyone is denying it, just that the cause is in question. I'd beleive it were only us if it were not that Jupiter and Pluto for example were not experiencing the same thing. People's CO2 and CH4 (The topic of this thread) output probably contributes, but is probably not as contributing as some people would have you believe. I think we should take a look at Solar System warming and re-evaluate. Somehow, I am pretty sure that we don't have all the facts to be able to put your finger on the exact cause. It is probably best described as a combination of causes.

Worst case scenario - the sun is running out of fuel and slowly getting hotter. We could all be dead as it slowly expands and engulfs the first few planets, including ours.

-S

PS. That new data also throws up many questions as to the rate of warming.

[SUBMAN1]

Here are some reasons why I am skepticle about what is being shoved down our throats on Global Warming. It is part of a natural cycle on every planet. The problem is, even though some like Jupiter are predicted, it seems to be happening system wide. Pluto, without any atmosphering changes over the time of observations, is heating up for no reason. Weird, huh?

Some links for Jupiter and Pluto:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/new...20031208a.html

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture02470.html

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...7/s1697309.htm


Some alternative theories to Global Warming - I find this one interesting:

http://biocab.org/Cosmic_Rays_Graph.html#anchor_77

Hmm - 150 years in Medieval times to GW when it will take 200 years in the Industrial age? This sounds more like a natural cycle than human activity:

http://biocab.org/Global_Warming.html#anchor_32


Now what do we make of Stardust? Does this have implications for GW? I am very curious to the extend that this can have effects - espcially since it can enter the atmosphere, and have effects on the Sun - maybe this is the cause for Plutos rise as well:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978ApJ...223..589V

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12353

http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/obj...objectid=33618


The point is, as I said above - we don't have all the facts. That is my biggest issue. I don't doubt we have some effect on our climate (especially the CH4 output described above :p), but the extent of that effect is what I question. I have more ideas too, but I think this list is a good start.

-S

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Worst case scenario - the sun is running out of fuel and slowly getting hotter. We could all be dead as it slowly expands and engulfs the first few planets, including ours.

Actually this one's true...the sun is burning through its fuel and getting closer to Earth at the same time, but it's actually cooling as it goes. But this scenario is not something that we need to worry about for quite a while as the sun is only about halfway through its life expectancy.