Deck gun location preference

Ducimus · 08-07-07, 04:59 PM

Where do you prefer the deck gun to be located? Just curious.

donut · 08-07-07, 05:16 PM

Deck-gun is like frontal attack last resort, bloody!

STEED · 08-07-07, 05:21 PM

Beat you to it. :p

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117591

FIREWALL · 08-07-07, 05:38 PM

I prefer it in a SEATTLE BASE?

Ducimus · 08-07-07, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Beat you to it. :p

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117591

Oh bah! Thats ok. Your post was 2 months ago, time for a new one! (that and i had an alterior motive for asking this question anyway)

Rockin Robbins · 08-07-07, 06:51 PM

So far I prefer the deck gun to be forward, as I'd rather be shooting as I close the range than as I widen it. Real captains seem to have thought otherwise. Actually the best technique is to shoot from a parallel course, in which case it doesn't matter where the deck gun is located.

I would think that from a logistics standpoint it would be better to have the AA gun and deck guns on opposite sides of the conning tower so ammunition feed lines don't get tangled up, but that is just an opinion with no practical experience to back it up. Logic is a dangerous tool, as it often does not work in real life. Sometimes what works, works and we are at a loss to explain why.

I'd be interested in why real captains liked the deck gun aft.

Bando · 08-07-07, 07:15 PM

Never use it anymore.
I suspect it makes a lot of noise below the waves.
Get rid of it

Frederf · 08-07-07, 07:27 PM

It was my understanding that the rear mounting was the more realistic option (source: that long-winded real UBoat manual thingy). Also I figure it might be an easier ammo haul (door on the front of the CT?) when in the back, drier, and less water drag.

Fearless · 08-07-07, 08:19 PM

Picked the rear just to make ithe vote catch up

Makes no difference to me as I only use it as a last resort.

Ducimus · 08-07-07, 08:22 PM

Historically the deck gun was orginally thought of as a last ditch defenseive weapon. Hence the aft mouting. (handy if somethings chasing you) Some more aggressive skippers found other offensive uses for it, and mounted it forward. (handy if your chasing something down).

Nothing exemplified this more then two radio reports from the USS wahoo:

"Wahoo encountered a convoy, sank a freighter and the transport Buyo Maru and damaged another cargo ship. Wahoo made additional attacks on a tanker and a freighter. Afterwards, she reported by radio: "In ten-hour running gun and torpedo battle destroyed entire convoy of two freighters one transport one tanker ... all torpedoes expended".

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"After an escort ship thwarted his attempt to use Wahoo's deck gun against another convoy on 27 January, Morton made a second radio report: "Another running gun battle today. Destroyer gunning, Wahoo running".

Capt. Shark Bait · 08-07-07, 08:41 PM

i had a boat with a gun fore and aft

FIREWALL · 08-07-07, 11:54 PM

I use bow mount and was leaveing a hint for Ducimus

Tobus · 08-08-07, 03:38 AM

Bow mounting = offensive
Stern mounting = defensive

I have diveplanes, balasttanks and forward-running crew for defense, guess where my gun's at!

PepsiCan · 08-08-07, 04:18 AM

Aft. So I can shoot at pursuing destroyers and escorts. I rarely use the deckgun. Got burnt a few times by armed merchants who'd received training.

Von Tonner · 08-08-07, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PepsiCan

Aft. So I can shoot at pursuing destroyers and escorts. I rarely use the deckgun. Got burnt a few times by armed merchants who'd received training.

Ditto

View Poll Results: I prefer my deck gun to be located
Forward of the conning tower.	143	65.30%
Aft of the conning tower.	62	28.31%
Deck gun?! I don't need no stinking deck gun!	14	6.39%
Voters: 219. You may not vote on this poll

08-07-07, 04:59 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Deck gun location preference Where do you prefer the deck gun to be located? Just curious.

08-07-07, 05:16 PM	#2
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	front Deck-gun is like frontal attack last resort, bloody!

08-07-07, 05:21 PM	#3
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Beat you to it. :p http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117591 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-07-07, 05:38 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I prefer it in a SEATTLE BASE? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-07-07, 06:51 PM	#6
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	deck gun forward for me So far I prefer the deck gun to be forward, as I'd rather be shooting as I close the range than as I widen it. Real captains seem to have thought otherwise. Actually the best technique is to shoot from a parallel course, in which case it doesn't matter where the deck gun is located. I would think that from a logistics standpoint it would be better to have the AA gun and deck guns on opposite sides of the conning tower so ammunition feed lines don't get tangled up, but that is just an opinion with no practical experience to back it up. Logic is a dangerous tool, as it often does not work in real life. Sometimes what works, works and we are at a loss to explain why. I'd be interested in why real captains liked the deck gun aft. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-07-07, 07:15 PM	#7
Bando Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where you don't see me Posts: 607 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Never use it anymore. I suspect it makes a lot of noise below the waves. Get rid of it __________________ Regards, Bando

08-07-07, 07:27 PM	#8
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	It was my understanding that the rear mounting was the more realistic option (source: that long-winded real UBoat manual thingy). Also I figure it might be an easier ammo haul (door on the front of the CT?) when in the back, drier, and less water drag.

08-07-07, 08:19 PM	#9
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Picked the rear just to make ithe vote catch up Makes no difference to me as I only use it as a last resort. __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-07-07, 08:22 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Historically the deck gun was orginally thought of as a last ditch defenseive weapon. Hence the aft mouting. (handy if somethings chasing you) Some more aggressive skippers found other offensive uses for it, and mounted it forward. (handy if your chasing something down). Nothing exemplified this more then two radio reports from the USS wahoo: "Wahoo encountered a convoy, sank a freighter and the transport Buyo Maru and damaged another cargo ship. Wahoo made additional attacks on a tanker and a freighter. Afterwards, she reported by radio: "In ten-hour running gun and torpedo battle destroyed entire convoy of two freighters one transport one tanker ... all torpedoes expended". --- "After an escort ship thwarted his attempt to use Wahoo's deck gun against another convoy on 27 January, Morton made a second radio report: "Another running gun battle today. Destroyer gunning, Wahoo running".

08-07-07, 08:41 PM	#11
Capt. Shark Bait Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in a convergance zone Posts: 1,186 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	i had a boat with a gun fore and aft __________________ Leiser und tödlicher edler Ritter der Tiefe Corsair Vengeance M70; ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z; FX 8350; Asus 7870; Samsung SyncMaster 2243SWX; coolmax CUG950B 950w psu; 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3; Corsair M4 SSD 128GB, WD 1TB; x18 DVR212D; 7SP1

08-07-07, 11:54 PM	#12
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I use bow mount and was leaveing a hint for Ducimus __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-08-07, 03:38 AM	#13
Tobus Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 260 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Bow mounting = offensive Stern mounting = defensive I have diveplanes, balasttanks and forward-running crew for defense, guess where my gun's at!

08-08-07, 04:18 AM	#14
PepsiCan Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 189 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Aft Aft. So I can shoot at pursuing destroyers and escorts. I rarely use the deckgun. Got burnt a few times by armed merchants who'd received training. __________________ =================== AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.1Ghz 1Gb RAM MSI NVidia 6800 128MB MSI motherboard Realtek soundcard Windows XP Pro SP2 ===================