Mark Ten Torpedoes

Neutrino 123 · 08-06-07, 10:45 PM

Hello, I started a campaign with an old S-boat, figuring I'll upgrade to Gato when it comes along. Until then, I could enjoy some nice, reliable torpedoes.

Initially, I had some great success, but then I missed two shots, one at a small transport and another at a light cruiser. I was sure these were perfect solutions, and I kept my depth settings low, but neither salvo hit. Being suspecious, I did a test, and found my MkX torpedoes were running deep! Even on the minimum depth settings, they can only seem to hit larger ships with deep keels.

I am using RFB 1.31. Is this a bug in the game or mod?

tater · 08-06-07, 11:53 PM

Mk10 torpedos ran ~4 feet deep in RL. Are they running a lot deper than that in RFB (which uses CCIP's hardocre torp mod)?

Neutrino 123 · 08-07-07, 12:00 AM

Yes, they are running maybe 20 feet deep or so. I set the depth to the minimum, ~3.5 feet but several still ran under a light cruiser in my test.

Fearless · 08-07-07, 12:36 AM

Which year are you in because there were a lot of problems with the mk 10 in the early stages of the war.

Neutrino 123 · 08-07-07, 01:40 PM

You are thinking of the MkXIVs. The MkXs were older WWI torpedoes on only the S-boats, and they were fairly reliable.

SteamWake · 08-07-07, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless

Which year are you in because there were a lot of problems with the mk 10 in the early stages of the war.

While true do they actually 'improve' in the game in later years ?

tater · 08-07-07, 01:58 PM

RFB uses CCIPs hardcore dud torpedo mod, and they do improve I believe.

Mark 10s ALSO had problems. Compared tot he abysmal performance of the Mark 14, they seemed wonderful, but objectively they were also pretty crappy.

It's kind of hard to tell since the pig boats put in such a horrible showing of themselves. maybe it was bad torps, maybe they just couldn't shoot straight (not surprising for any boats that actually attacked using official USN doctrine (deep submerged attack on sound alone)).

tater

Bando · 08-07-07, 07:09 PM

When looking at the files which were originally tweaked by CCIP - the torpedo files (I'm at work now, believe it's the us-torpedo.dat/sim) the value for variable depth is 20. Maybe CCIP believed this were feet, I believe they are meters. Changing this value to 1.5 did make the Mk10 run 4 ft deeper instead and one can even hit shallow targets with it.

Fearless · 08-07-07, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fearless

Which year are you in because there were a lot of problems with the mk 10 in the early stages of the war.

While true do they actually 'improve' in the game in later years ?

Can't answer that because I haven't gone through the whole war using just stock SH4. I started using mods as soon as they came out.

Neutrino 123 · 08-08-07, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bando

When looking at the files which were originally tweaked by CCIP - the torpedo files (I'm at work now, believe it's the us-torpedo.dat/sim) the value for variable depth is 20. Maybe CCIP believed this were feet, I believe they are meters. Changing this value to 1.5 did make the Mk10 run 4 ft deeper instead and one can even hit shallow targets with it.

How does one go about changing the torpedo file? When I changed the .dat and .sim files to .txt for editing, all I got was gibberish.

LukeFF · 08-08-07, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bando

When looking at the files which were originally tweaked by CCIP - the torpedo files (I'm at work now, believe it's the us-torpedo.dat/sim) the value for variable depth is 20. Maybe CCIP believed this were feet, I believe they are meters. Changing this value to 1.5 did make the Mk10 run 4 ft deeper instead and one can even hit shallow targets with it.

You really should release this as an update to CCIP's work.

tater · 08-08-07, 05:50 PM

I agree. It was very much beta as he suggested. I thought jace or someone actually made a version (linked in CCIP's thread) with some other change...

LukeFF · 08-09-07, 04:38 PM

Bump

08-06-07, 10:45 PM	#1
Neutrino 123 A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UCLA, Los Angeles Posts: 73 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mark Ten Torpedoes Hello, I started a campaign with an old S-boat, figuring I'll upgrade to Gato when it comes along. Until then, I could enjoy some nice, reliable torpedoes. Initially, I had some great success, but then I missed two shots, one at a small transport and another at a light cruiser. I was sure these were perfect solutions, and I kept my depth settings low, but neither salvo hit. Being suspecious, I did a test, and found my MkX torpedoes were running deep! Even on the minimum depth settings, they can only seem to hit larger ships with deep keels. I am using RFB 1.31. Is this a bug in the game or mod? __________________ Neutrino 123

08-07-07, 12:00 AM	#3
Neutrino 123 A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UCLA, Los Angeles Posts: 73 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yes, they are running maybe 20 feet deep or so. I set the depth to the minimum, ~3.5 feet but several still ran under a light cruiser in my test. __________________ Neutrino 123

08-07-07, 12:36 AM	#4
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Which year are you in because there were a lot of problems with the mk 10 in the early stages of the war. __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-07-07, 01:40 PM	#5
Neutrino 123 A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UCLA, Los Angeles Posts: 73 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You are thinking of the MkXIVs. The MkXs were older WWI torpedoes on only the S-boats, and they were fairly reliable. __________________ Neutrino 123

08-07-07, 07:09 PM	#8
Bando Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where you don't see me Posts: 607 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	When looking at the files which were originally tweaked by CCIP - the torpedo files (I'm at work now, believe it's the us-torpedo.dat/sim) the value for variable depth is 20. Maybe CCIP believed this were feet, I believe they are meters. Changing this value to 1.5 did make the Mk10 run 4 ft deeper instead and one can even hit shallow targets with it. __________________ Regards, Bando

08-06-07, 11:53 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Mk10 torpedos ran ~4 feet deep in RL. Are they running a lot deper than that in RFB (which uses CCIP's hardocre torp mod)?

08-07-07, 01:58 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	RFB uses CCIPs hardcore dud torpedo mod, and they do improve I believe. Mark 10s ALSO had problems. Compared tot he abysmal performance of the Mark 14, they seemed wonderful, but objectively they were also pretty crappy. It's kind of hard to tell since the pig boats put in such a horrible showing of themselves. maybe it was bad torps, maybe they just couldn't shoot straight (not surprising for any boats that actually attacked using official USN doctrine (deep submerged attack on sound alone)). tater

08-08-07, 05:50 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I agree. It was very much beta as he suggested. I thought jace or someone actually made a version (linked in CCIP's thread) with some other change...

08-09-07, 04:38 PM	#13
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Bump