Constant Evasion

NoTG · 07-24-07, 08:47 AM

Everytime i come accross a unescorted convoy, thats it, just merchants, they just evade
and start zig zagging all over the place.

I was submerged, running at 2/3 (1/3 some times). I DIDNT have my periscope up at all, so there wasnt any means of detecting me.
I know it adds to the difficulty, but come on, i cant get the element of suprise anymore, and i have to say it just makes it damn boring. It does it on multiplayer random map, and on career, well everything actually, i never had this problem before using patch 1.3.

Any ideas anyone?:hmm:

tater · 07-24-07, 09:10 AM

Interesting. What year was it? Perhaps some merchants get hydrophones later in the war (they did in RL).

tater

NoTG · 07-24-07, 09:28 AM

It does it no matter what the year is.

tater · 07-24-07, 09:30 AM

Interesting, I have managed to sneak up on them

NoTG · 07-24-07, 09:36 AM

thats my point, it is impossible for me to sneak up on them, ive tried submerging beyong periscope depth, running completly silent, no engines, nothing, and just waiting for the convoy to come closer. They get closer and closer, and then they start evading

As i said, this has only started since i used patch 1.3.

tater · 07-24-07, 09:39 AM

The year must matter at some level. A few of the merchants have hydrophones from 42 and 43 on.

a few in oct 42, more in sept 43. A few in 44.

So nothing before october 42. I'm not talking about the evasion helming, I'm talking about them doing it when you have not even exposed your scope at all.

I've done a bunch of dumb tests to find the taihosan maru CTD, and I was submerged and let a train of merchants go by, I never saw this until one got hit.

NoTG · 07-24-07, 10:19 AM

Hmm well ill have a fiddle with the year/ month and see if that makes any difference. ill post back the results

AVGWarhawk · 07-24-07, 10:31 AM

No issue here. Only time I had them evade...when I was surfaced for all to see me.....

. Last night I did a surface attack. Got to 1500 yards without being detected.

Seaman_Hornsby · 07-24-07, 11:00 AM

Are you running any mods, NoTG?

starvingartist507 · 07-24-07, 12:46 PM

Maybe.... Try external view. Rough seas, or calm, clear water can give you away I bet. Rough because your con tower breaches, and calm clear because you can see a giant steel shark closing in. Its tough to totally confirm this, but I'd say mysterious detection is confirmation enough of things like this.

Also, a little too much speed a little to close to the surface could maybe cause a little bit of a wake. Try this:
End around (get in front of them)
Go deep.
Like Poseidon's lap deep.
STOP
silent running.
let them sail over you.

When the contact bars start to "fan out" (as in they are approaching) go up to 50 feet or so, still at full stop. The slow movement will minimize pressure change noise. (which might help, but paranoia is the sub skippers best friend). Try to time it so you are just behind the first row. It helps to practice your passive targeting, but all of your targets are on the same course, @ same speed, so its not too bad. Up-scope and let fly with all tubes. Works for me most of the time.

NoTG · 07-24-07, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby

Are you running any mods, NoTG?

Nope im running no mods.
I have played around with the year and month settings, also i have tried stopping, diving to around 60m, and turned silent running on. When i was doing this the plan was to wait for the convoy to get within striking distance, so i could quickly go to periscope depth and fire all tubes. But they started evading me before they were even close

Maybe they have some sort of super radar that picks up everything?:hmm:

Oh and there were no escorts present.

tater · 07-24-07, 04:09 PM

Wierd, i take shots under 1000 yards often (i'm not a good shot) and they don't do this.

any particular ships?

NoTG · 07-24-07, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Wierd, i take shots under 1000 yards often (i'm not a good shot) and they don't do this.

any particular ships?

Nope, just seems to be all merchants.

Seaman_Hornsby · 07-24-07, 04:39 PM

Perhaps a clean re-install and re-patch would help? I seem to recall others here rectifying bizarre behavior from the game by doing that. :hmm:

NoTG · 07-24-07, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby

Perhaps a clean re-install and re-patch would help? I seem to recall others here rectifying bizarre behavior from the game by doing that. :hmm:

Yes i think ill do that tomorrow, cant really be bothered now. Hopefully it should solve the problem.

07-24-07, 08:47 AM	#1
NoTG Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Constant Evasion Everytime i come accross a unescorted convoy, thats it, just merchants, they just evade and start zig zagging all over the place. I was submerged, running at 2/3 (1/3 some times). I DIDNT have my periscope up at all, so there wasnt any means of detecting me. I know it adds to the difficulty, but come on, i cant get the element of suprise anymore, and i have to say it just makes it damn boring. It does it on multiplayer random map, and on career, well everything actually, i never had this problem before using patch 1.3. Any ideas anyone?:hmm:

07-24-07, 10:31 AM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	No issue here. Only time I had them evade...when I was surfaced for all to see me...... Last night I did a surface attack. Got to 1500 yards without being detected. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

07-24-07, 09:10 AM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Interesting. What year was it? Perhaps some merchants get hydrophones later in the war (they did in RL). tater

07-24-07, 09:28 AM	#3
NoTG Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It does it no matter what the year is.

07-24-07, 09:30 AM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Interesting, I have managed to sneak up on them

07-24-07, 09:36 AM	#5
NoTG Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	thats my point, it is impossible for me to sneak up on them, ive tried submerging beyong periscope depth, running completly silent, no engines, nothing, and just waiting for the convoy to come closer. They get closer and closer, and then they start evading As i said, this has only started since i used patch 1.3.

07-24-07, 09:39 AM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The year must matter at some level. A few of the merchants have hydrophones from 42 and 43 on. a few in oct 42, more in sept 43. A few in 44. So nothing before october 42. I'm not talking about the evasion helming, I'm talking about them doing it when you have not even exposed your scope at all. I've done a bunch of dumb tests to find the taihosan maru CTD, and I was submerged and let a train of merchants go by, I never saw this until one got hit.

07-24-07, 10:19 AM	#7
NoTG Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hmm well ill have a fiddle with the year/ month and see if that makes any difference. ill post back the results

07-24-07, 11:00 AM	#9
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Are you running any mods, NoTG?

07-24-07, 12:46 PM	#10
starvingartist507 Seaman Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe.... Try external view. Rough seas, or calm, clear water can give you away I bet. Rough because your con tower breaches, and calm clear because you can see a giant steel shark closing in. Its tough to totally confirm this, but I'd say mysterious detection is confirmation enough of things like this. Also, a little too much speed a little to close to the surface could maybe cause a little bit of a wake. Try this: End around (get in front of them) Go deep. Like Poseidon's lap deep. STOP silent running. let them sail over you. When the contact bars start to "fan out" (as in they are approaching) go up to 50 feet or so, still at full stop. The slow movement will minimize pressure change noise. (which might help, but paranoia is the sub skippers best friend). Try to time it so you are just behind the first row. It helps to practice your passive targeting, but all of your targets are on the same course, @ same speed, so its not too bad. Up-scope and let fly with all tubes. Works for me most of the time.

07-24-07, 04:09 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Wierd, i take shots under 1000 yards often (i'm not a good shot) and they don't do this. any particular ships?

07-24-07, 04:39 PM	#14
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Perhaps a clean re-install and re-patch would help? I seem to recall others here rectifying bizarre behavior from the game by doing that. :hmm: