Israeli spies.

Fish · 07-10-07, 03:08 PM

I wonder how you US guys think of this? Is Fox right?

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According to FOX news, throughout late 2000 and 2001, a total of 200 Israeli spies were arrested. (13) It was the largest spy ring to ever be uncovered in the history of the United States. The Washington Post also reported that some of these Israelis were arrested in connection with the 9-11 investigation. (14) US. Carl Cameron of FOX News Channel did a excellent four part, nationally televised, series of investigations into this blockbuster scandal. But FOX pulled the investigative series after Zionist groups complained to FOX executives. FOX even went so far as to remove the written transcripts of the series from its website! In it's place was posted a chilling, Orwellian message which reads: "This story no longer exists." (15) Fortunately for the sake of history, the FOX transcripts were copied onto to many other websites and all four parts are available for your review. (see footnotes.)

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Heibges · 07-10-07, 03:10 PM

Spies are spies.

Johnathan Pollard isn't getting out of jail any time soon.

cobalt · 07-10-07, 03:13 PM

you're gonna stir up a bees nest ;o

Fish · 07-10-07, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cobalt

you're gonna stir up a bees nest ;o

Oh my!

07-10-07, 03:57 PM

I watched the first video. A couple of things jumped out at me. That Israel is has the most agressive intellegence gathering network within the US of all our allies.

So all our 'friends' are doing it. I'm sure the US is doing it to our allies. The Israelies are the best at it in the US.......go figure.

If FNC knows then you can bet the FBI knows, and knew far sooner than FNC had a clue.

Secondly, the use of phone records by organized crime kind of reminds me of the apprehension of the cell planning an attack on the JFK fuel farm. The one group, other than the airlines, which has the most to lose by the disruption of JFK business is the mob. It wouldn't be the first time the mob helped the US Gov't for mutual benefit.

PeriscopeDepth · 07-10-07, 04:07 PM

I seriously doubt Britain or Japan's (for example) spy network in the US comes close to Israel's in terms of manpower and funding. It's not that their best at it, it's that they see the need to put MUCH more resources into spying on the US than our other allies. Why is that?

PD

kiwi_2005 · 07-10-07, 04:14 PM

Spies, the movie "The Breach" comes to mind. The guy who acted as the US spy played the part well.

Im a spy i own Google Earth Pro.... I can see you

:rotfl:

FIREWALL · 07-10-07, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cobalt

you're gonna stir up a bees nest ;o

Haven't you heard. Freedom of speech. Freedom of the press. Freedom of the internet and Freedom of thought around here.

Our Moderaters have a special spray for bee's

Iceman · 07-10-07, 04:17 PM

Looks like alot of speculation and fiction. Without a doubt I am sure the Israeli Gov. has spies in America as well as other countries, as do we, and everybody else...yadda yadda...this is a mute point I think.Information is life as was stated in the video in part one...without information you suffer.I see the attempt to rouse American suspicsion in that Israel may have knew some information beforehand about the 9/11 plot...at this point I choose to ignore that as pure speculation in the absence of imperical evidence...I can not believe that Israel would knowinly permit such an act to take place and not inform someone,somehow,thru some secret back channel without comprimising they're own covert actions in this country....

Israel is still an Ally and I for one support her..again as was stated in the video she "Israel", has a strong survival instinct and who could deny anyone that anyways....

I do not condone the aformentioned spying activites but seems pretty hypocritical of me to take some moral stance when my country does the same damn thing....

If a spy is caught then they're caught...the jig is up for them...that is the game that all governments play...what's really sad is that as a planet we still can't pull our heads out of our asses to fix the big problems that will eventually do every soul in.

Heibges · 07-10-07, 04:32 PM

I doubt Israel has the money to fund such a huge spy network.

They have almost practiced economy of force when it comes to stuff like this.

I would say the most dangerous spy in America right now is Rupert Murdoch. Regardless of his politics, it is dangerous to have a foreigner putting out foreign propaganda on television every night.

The British used similar methods before WWII to drag the United States into the war. Especially newspapers out of Canada.

I wonder if Murdoch has contacts in MI-6?

I also think spying is very neccessary. Is it more dangerous for the enemy to know your capabilites, or not to know them?

PeriscopeDepth · 07-10-07, 04:34 PM

Alright, if all of our other allies spy on us as well, shouldn't they get caught? I can't seem to find any news stories about British, French, German, or Japanese intelligence officers caught spying on the USA.

PD

P_Funk · 07-10-07, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

I doubt Israel has the money to fund such a huge spy network.

You could say the same of their military before you see how much money Congress sends over there every year. The US is Israel's sugerdaddy.

The irony in that is that the US is probably paying for Israel to spy on them.

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Originally Posted by Iceman

I do not condone the aformentioned spying activites but seems pretty hypocritical of me to take some moral stance when my country does the same damn thing....

Why? Just because your country does it doesn't mean that you need to conform your moral guidelines.

August · 07-10-07, 10:57 PM

An old Reganism comes to mind:

"Trust, but verify"

Yahoshua · 07-10-07, 11:46 PM

The U.S. government was warned multiple times of the impending attack by multiple government agencies and did nothing. Why it was so I don't think any of us will know that one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/2294487.stm

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...ytriedtowarnus

Iceman · 07-11-07, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

Why? Just because your country does it doesn't mean that you need to conform your moral guidelines.

Wha?..

Ya but who's on first..What is on second!

I don't need to conform to my own moral guidelines?

I'm going on vacation....bb in a few weeks.Did you happen to read the part of pulling our heads out of our asses, no? ok we skipped that part.

Good day

07-10-07, 03:10 PM	#2
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Spies are spies. Johnathan Pollard isn't getting out of jail any time soon. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

07-10-07, 03:13 PM	#3
cobalt Commander Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 440 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	you're gonna stir up a bees nest ;o __________________ download my playable viic/41 submarine http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107315 http://files.filefront.com/CobaltsVI.../fileinfo.html

07-10-07, 04:14 PM	#7
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Spies, the movie "The Breach" comes to mind. The guy who acted as the US spy played the part well. Im a spy i own Google Earth Pro.... I can see you :rotfl: __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

07-10-07, 04:32 PM	#10
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I doubt Israel has the money to fund such a huge spy network. They have almost practiced economy of force when it comes to stuff like this. I would say the most dangerous spy in America right now is Rupert Murdoch. Regardless of his politics, it is dangerous to have a foreigner putting out foreign propaganda on television every night. The British used similar methods before WWII to drag the United States into the war. Especially newspapers out of Canada. I wonder if Murdoch has contacts in MI-6? I also think spying is very neccessary. Is it more dangerous for the enemy to know your capabilites, or not to know them? __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

07-10-07, 10:57 PM	#13
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	An old Reganism comes to mind: "Trust, but verify" __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

07-10-07, 03:57 PM	#5
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I watched the first video. A couple of things jumped out at me. That Israel is has the most agressive intellegence gathering network within the US of all our allies. So all our 'friends' are doing it. I'm sure the US is doing it to our allies. The Israelies are the best at it in the US.......go figure. If FNC knows then you can bet the FBI knows, and knew far sooner than FNC had a clue. Secondly, the use of phone records by organized crime kind of reminds me of the apprehension of the cell planning an attack on the JFK fuel farm. The one group, other than the airlines, which has the most to lose by the disruption of JFK business is the mob. It wouldn't be the first time the mob helped the US Gov't for mutual benefit.

07-10-07, 04:07 PM	#6
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I seriously doubt Britain or Japan's (for example) spy network in the US comes close to Israel's in terms of manpower and funding. It's not that their best at it, it's that they see the need to put MUCH more resources into spying on the US than our other allies. Why is that? PD

07-10-07, 04:17 PM	#9
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Looks like alot of speculation and fiction. Without a doubt I am sure the Israeli Gov. has spies in America as well as other countries, as do we, and everybody else...yadda yadda...this is a mute point I think.Information is life as was stated in the video in part one...without information you suffer.I see the attempt to rouse American suspicsion in that Israel may have knew some information beforehand about the 9/11 plot...at this point I choose to ignore that as pure speculation in the absence of imperical evidence...I can not believe that Israel would knowinly permit such an act to take place and not inform someone,somehow,thru some secret back channel without comprimising they're own covert actions in this country.... Israel is still an Ally and I for one support her..again as was stated in the video she "Israel", has a strong survival instinct and who could deny anyone that anyways.... I do not condone the aformentioned spying activites but seems pretty hypocritical of me to take some moral stance when my country does the same damn thing.... If a spy is caught then they're caught...the jig is up for them...that is the game that all governments play...what's really sad is that as a planet we still can't pull our heads out of our asses to fix the big problems that will eventually do every soul in.

07-10-07, 04:34 PM	#11
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Alright, if all of our other allies spy on us as well, shouldn't they get caught? I can't seem to find any news stories about British, French, German, or Japanese intelligence officers caught spying on the USA. PD

07-10-07, 11:46 PM	#14
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The U.S. government was warned multiple times of the impending attack by multiple government agencies and did nothing. Why it was so I don't think any of us will know that one. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/2294487.stm http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...ytriedtowarnus __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua