China's new SSBN

Sea Demon · 07-05-07, 08:51 PM

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/07/...ic_missile.php

OK. So what do you think? Looks an awful lot like an early model Delta class to me, yet a little bit smaller. Could the Russians have provided some of their technologies to build this thing? I wonder where it's noise level and sonar technology is at?

ASWnut101 · 07-05-07, 09:12 PM

Here's the Google Maps link to it (as in the FAS report):

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...&t=k&z=15&om=1

bookworm_020 · 07-05-07, 09:59 PM

I wonder if they have improved the radation sheilding in the sub, compaired to earlier subs in which the crew had to be rested due to high radation levels.:hmm:

Tchocky · 07-05-07, 10:00 PM

Well, there's only so much you can tell from the exterior

nikimcbee · 07-05-07, 11:20 PM

....HHHMM juicy target

Loading Mk-48 now

Oberon · 07-05-07, 11:42 PM

Interesting...

Where she's parked up is where they used to have their Golf class, wonder where they've put that now...

She looks pretty sea-worthy, no doubt she'll be out at sea within the month, unless she turns into another Xia and spends most of her time in dry-dock...

PeriscopeDepth · 07-06-07, 12:03 AM

The new Type 093 SSN is supposed to be roughly equivalent to a Victor III class. I would bet my next paycheck the Chinese are getting help from at least the Russians.

PD

Kapitan · 07-06-07, 12:49 AM

That would be a wise investment too, they are getting help from the russians its widely known not only tat type 093 is made with help from the russians to be modeled on victor III to top it off the type 094 is based on the older yankee class and newer delta class they just chopped and changed bits.

Konovalov · 07-06-07, 04:42 AM

It has to be better than the Xia class but I guess that wouldn't be too hard to accomplish.

Jimbuna · 07-06-07, 08:14 AM

They're still 20+ years behind in technological terms

Kapitan · 07-06-07, 08:58 AM

If it contains tech from the akula class (typhoon or delta as well) then your going to have a big issue here as its not 20 years behind but just 3

bear in mind the borey is very modern from what ive been told it doesnt have touch screens but has alot of what the americans use such as water fall displays and no periscope.

Oberon · 07-06-07, 09:07 AM

I'd have said she was probably more Delta technology, perhaps III or IV level. The Xia was about Yankee level, wasn't she? When she was at sea that is... So I would have thought the next level the Russians would be willing to part with would be Delta IV level.
Hell, even Victor III technology is a threat, remember that they were the first wave of subs after the Walker information was gained, and they had the extra sonar dampening and quietening technology implemented. Whilst they're not as quiet as the Borei probably is, they're still a lot quieter than say, an Alfa (heck, an earthquake is probably quieter than that...) or a Yankee.
So, although I think 3 years is a bit out....I'd say no more than ten-fifteen. Which is still a problem. Take the Swordfish torpedo bomber for example... old tech can still be a problem to new tech.

Jimbuna · 07-06-07, 09:24 AM

Delta III started in 72 which could mean even 30 years tech
Delta IV between 85-92 which means 15-22 years tech

Either way.....a worthy adversary if taken too lightly

Oberon · 07-06-07, 09:32 AM

Here's the next on the conveyor belt, under construction in the highlighted drydock in Huludao.

Kapitan · 07-06-07, 09:35 AM

looks more delta III ish to me than anything

07-05-07, 08:51 PM	#1
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	China's new SSBN http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/07/...ic_missile.php OK. So what do you think? Looks an awful lot like an early model Delta class to me, yet a little bit smaller. Could the Russians have provided some of their technologies to build this thing? I wonder where it's noise level and sonar technology is at?

07-05-07, 09:12 PM	#2
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Here's the Google Maps link to it (as in the FAS report): http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...&t=k&z=15&om=1 __________________

07-05-07, 09:59 PM	#3
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I wonder if they have improved the radation sheilding in the sub, compaired to earlier subs in which the crew had to be rested due to high radation levels.:hmm: __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

07-05-07, 10:00 PM	#4
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well, there's only so much you can tell from the exterior __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-05-07, 11:20 PM	#5
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	....HHHMM juicy target Loading Mk-48 now __________________

07-05-07, 11:42 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Interesting... Where she's parked up is where they used to have their Golf class, wonder where they've put that now... She looks pretty sea-worthy, no doubt she'll be out at sea within the month, unless she turns into another Xia and spends most of her time in dry-dock...

07-06-07, 12:03 AM	#7
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	The new Type 093 SSN is supposed to be roughly equivalent to a Victor III class. I would bet my next paycheck the Chinese are getting help from at least the Russians. PD

07-06-07, 12:49 AM	#8
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	That would be a wise investment too, they are getting help from the russians its widely known not only tat type 093 is made with help from the russians to be modeled on victor III to top it off the type 094 is based on the older yankee class and newer delta class they just chopped and changed bits. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-06-07, 04:42 AM	#9
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It has to be better than the Xia class but I guess that wouldn't be too hard to accomplish. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

07-06-07, 08:14 AM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	They're still 20+ years behind in technological terms __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-06-07, 08:58 AM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	If it contains tech from the akula class (typhoon or delta as well) then your going to have a big issue here as its not 20 years behind but just 3 bear in mind the borey is very modern from what ive been told it doesnt have touch screens but has alot of what the americans use such as water fall displays and no periscope. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-06-07, 09:07 AM	#12
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I'd have said she was probably more Delta technology, perhaps III or IV level. The Xia was about Yankee level, wasn't she? When she was at sea that is... So I would have thought the next level the Russians would be willing to part with would be Delta IV level. Hell, even Victor III technology is a threat, remember that they were the first wave of subs after the Walker information was gained, and they had the extra sonar dampening and quietening technology implemented. Whilst they're not as quiet as the Borei probably is, they're still a lot quieter than say, an Alfa (heck, an earthquake is probably quieter than that...) or a Yankee. So, although I think 3 years is a bit out....I'd say no more than ten-fifteen. Which is still a problem. Take the Swordfish torpedo bomber for example... old tech can still be a problem to new tech.

07-06-07, 09:24 AM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Delta III started in 72 which could mean even 30 years tech Delta IV between 85-92 which means 15-22 years tech Either way.....a worthy adversary if taken too lightly __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-06-07, 09:32 AM	#14
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Here's the next on the conveyor belt, under construction in the highlighted drydock in Huludao.

07-06-07, 09:35 AM	#15
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	looks more delta III ish to me than anything __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/