"Be more aggressive"

Von Tonner · 06-20-07, 05:41 AM

When I first started playing subsim in SHIII on my first patrol I came accross this "be more aggressive" phrase for the first time. At the time I thought it was just "game speak". However, now with SHIV I see it used a lot in reference to many real time US sub commanders, for example:

Posted by mookiemookie
fter shakedown, Seahorse reached the Pacific in the summer of 1943 under CDR Don McGregor and departed on 3 August for her first war patrol. It was not successful. Stationed off the Palaus, McGregor made only two attacks and allowed a number of convoys pass by unscathed. After the boat returned to port, an investigation of her poor performance by VADM Lockwood and his staff led to McGregor's removal for not being aggressive enough, and Cutter fleeted up to become the Commanding Officer of Seahorse in October 1943. "

And Commander Morton got command of Wahoo because the previous commander was found to be "too timid".

This really puzzels me as firstly why would these men want to command a sub in the first place if they didn't have that 'Lets stick it to them" attitude. More so after the cowardly attack on their homeland. Secondly, I would have thought that given the enviroment of sub warfare and the restricted conditions of operation, that this type of service would have appealed to those that like to "push the envelope" so to speak. Thirdly, if this lack of aggression was a product of their training program why then were the same personel their judges, after all, they trained them. Couldn't they have seen the training program was defective and simply retrained them if that was the case. And lastly, given that this was introduced into SHIII is one to assume that this lack of aggression was common among commanders of subs in other navies.

06-20-07, 05:41 AM	#1
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	"Be more aggressive" When I first started playing subsim in SHIII on my first patrol I came accross this "be more aggressive" phrase for the first time. At the time I thought it was just "game speak". However, now with SHIV I see it used a lot in reference to many real time US sub commanders, for example: Posted by mookiemookie fter shakedown, Seahorse reached the Pacific in the summer of 1943 under CDR Don McGregor and departed on 3 August for her first war patrol. It was not successful. Stationed off the Palaus, McGregor made only two attacks and allowed a number of convoys pass by unscathed. After the boat returned to port, an investigation of her poor performance by VADM Lockwood and his staff led to McGregor's removal for not being aggressive enough, and Cutter fleeted up to become the Commanding Officer of Seahorse in October 1943. " And Commander Morton got command of Wahoo because the previous commander was found to be "too timid". This really puzzels me as firstly why would these men want to command a sub in the first place if they didn't have that 'Lets stick it to them" attitude. More so after the cowardly attack on their homeland. Secondly, I would have thought that given the enviroment of sub warfare and the restricted conditions of operation, that this type of service would have appealed to those that like to "push the envelope" so to speak. Thirdly, if this lack of aggression was a product of their training program why then were the same personel their judges, after all, they trained them. Couldn't they have seen the training program was defective and simply retrained them if that was the case. And lastly, given that this was introduced into SHIII is one to assume that this lack of aggression was common among commanders of subs in other navies.