I'm back

Penelope_Grey · 06-03-07, 09:04 AM

I have soooo had dreadful withdrawl symptoms from SH3! Every night I was going out for a walk and images of juicy merchant ships were flashing before my eyes.

Anybody ever been to Stratford Upon Avon? I have! Wayhey! Shagspeare's country. I tell you what... For an overrated hack he certain has a LOT of fans. Quite a nice little place if VERY crowded. Also I have to say, I am glad to be home.

Takeda Shingen · 06-03-07, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Anybody ever been to Stratford Upon Avon? I have! Wayhey! Shagspeare's country. I tell you what... For an overrated hack he certain has a LOT of fans.

An overrated hack? That's a bold statement; care to elaborate?

Penelope_Grey · 06-03-07, 09:22 AM

Hi Penny, welcome back!:p

No I don't care to elaborate because this is a welcome home thread for me Professor, so, if you wouldn't mind, keep on topic, cuz otherwise I am gonna have to moderate your ass!:rotfl::rotfl:

I just think he was overrated because I studied him to death during school and then again in college and I was just not impressed, further, I found a rumour when I was reading around about him in College that some of his work was ghost authored by Bacon, whether or not this is true I don't know... the main reason I don't like Shakespeare is because of his personal conduct. Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him.

bigboywooly · 06-03-07, 10:15 AM

Didnt know you had gone

:rotfl:

WB BTW

The Avon Lady · 06-03-07, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true!

Heibges · 06-03-07, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Anybody ever been to Stratford Upon Avon? I have! Wayhey! Shagspeare's country. I tell you what... For an overrated hack he certain has a LOT of fans.

An overrated hack? That's a bold statement; care to elaborate?

Because Francis Bacon actually wrote all his plays?:rotfl:

Skybird · 06-03-07, 10:31 AM

It seems she feels the same about England's national poet like I do feel about Germany's "national" poet, Goethe - overrated. Both had their moments, of course, and things that people use to quote, but all in all I see both as - well, overrated I mean. I saw several Shakespeare pieces, at school, at TV, even in cinemas, but many of them have one thing in common: a lot of people running around with a heavy mind, and in the end they all are dead.

However, this is something that they also made of Shakespeare, and I love it. I have seen it three times now within one year, and every time I was laughing tears. It also is wonderfully filmed, and has some very excellent actors who obviously did truly enjoy to play their parts.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Shak...0884029&sr=1-5

Set in the beautifully filmed Toskana, this is how I always thought the Summer Night's Dream must be performed: humourous, beautiful, light and with an easy hand and a twinkling eye, and with bright, almost boisterous colours - perfect! The images and locations it offers to the eyes are simply beautiful.

Kevin Kline was a great choice to cast. I also love that guy playing the Puck, an Australian, I think. Best Puck I have ever seen - and I saw him in four different versions. there is one scene in the middle, a mud-bath, that one simply has to ignore, for it is too exaggerated, but it is over after 30 seconds, and then the pleasure continues to unfold.

For those who usually have difficulties to approach Shakespeare in general, and the Midsummer Night's Dream in special, this is the one version that could make you change your mind. And it illustrates why this piece is rated as a comedy - in no other version I ever laughed. In this one, at the end I always have tears in my eyes from laughing.
I love it!

It's also the only version where you see Puck finding a bicyle in the forest and wondering what it is before having plenty of fun with it! :rotfl:

Takeda Shingen · 06-03-07, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Anybody ever been to Stratford Upon Avon? I have! Wayhey! Shagspeare's country. I tell you what... For an overrated hack he certain has a LOT of fans.

An overrated hack? That's a bold statement; care to elaborate?

Because Francis Bacon actually wrote all his plays?:rotfl:

Baconian theory? Oxfordian theory? In academia, we call this 'pseudo-research'. The authorities on the subject seem to universally disagree with this amalgamation circumstantial evidence. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

@ Sky,

If you Germans don't want Goethe, I would gladly trade you for Herman Melville. Talk about needlessly verbose, and such without point. By Moby Dick's seventh chapter we are all painfully aware that the whale is God. From that point, everything becomes filler.

Takeda Shingen · 06-03-07, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Hi Penny, welcome back!:p

No I don't care to elaborate because this is a welcome home thread for me Professor, so, if you wouldn't mind, keep on topic, cuz otherwise I am gonna have to moderate your ass!:rotfl::rotfl:

I just think he was overrated because I studied him to death during school and then again in college and I was just not impressed, further, I found a rumour when I was reading around about him in College that some of his work was ghost authored by Bacon, whether or not this is true I don't know... the main reason I don't like Shakespeare is because of his personal conduct. Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him.

It is normally common practice to refrain from elaborating after vehemitly refusing to do so.

Penelope_Grey · 06-03-07, 12:53 PM

I was joking!

TteFAboB · 06-03-07, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

this is a welcome home thread for me Professor...

I just think he was overrated because I studied him to death during school and then again in college and I was just not impressed, further, I found a rumour when I was reading around about him in College that some of his work was ghost authored by Bacon, whether or not this is true I don't know... the main reason I don't like Shakespeare is because of his personal conduct. Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him.

So the joke is that this is ironical? Very nice.

Letum · 06-03-07, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true!

Strange, I didn't like SP until I studied him.

Welcome back PG!

Tchocky · 06-03-07, 05:24 PM

My first Shakespeare was MacBeth, then Hamlet. I was and am in love with the git

I'm comfortable with the Marlovian theory, if I had to choose another author it would be Chris

kurtz · 06-03-07, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If you Germans don't want Goethe, I would gladly trade you for Herman Melville. Talk about needlessly verbose, and such without point. By Moby Dick's seventh chapter we are all painfully aware that the whale is God. From that point, everything becomes filler.

Can't agree, his other books may be rubbish, but the chapter in MD wher ethey kill the old and crippled sperm whale is IMHO the most powerfully written work in the english language (well, I wept salt tears).

And another thing...Shakeaspeare is bloody brill!

@Penelope Grey, Actually I was wondering where you were. Welcome back, now leave SHIII alone and study SP

Mike.

Chock · 06-03-07, 06:42 PM

Well, having read pretty much all of the Bard's work, I have to say that I don't agree with him being called 'an overrated hack' at all.

I'm sure that there's a big difference between choosing to read Big Bill's works and effectively being forced to read them in order to get an exam result, particularly when some lecturers can get a bit 'up their own arse' about meanings and such. And, I'll grant you that in terms of storylines, Shakespeare is not exactly the most elaborate, in fact some of his plots are just plain silly.

But you have to weigh against that, almost certainly some of the best dialogue, prose and poetry ever put down on paper. And, if you view the storylines within the period they appear, and on the timeframe of dramatic development, they are probably no worse than anything else in terms of dramatic story structure, so even that is forgiveable. They were, after all, originally written for an audience with a more limited grasp of the world and its affairs. But that writing is just magical.

William Shakespeare is one of the treasures of the literary world, and anyone who can't see that, is really blind, or at the very least didn't read it at all. Reading WS when you actually want to read it - rather than when you have to in order to answer some exam questions and extoll a bunch of exam-pass cliches about it to some bored matriculator - is when you'll appreciate it.

In any case, welcome back PG.

Chock

06-03-07, 09:04 AM	#1
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm back I have soooo had dreadful withdrawl symptoms from SH3! Every night I was going out for a walk and images of juicy merchant ships were flashing before my eyes. Anybody ever been to Stratford Upon Avon? I have! Wayhey! Shagspeare's country. I tell you what... For an overrated hack he certain has a LOT of fans. Quite a nice little place if VERY crowded. Also I have to say, I am glad to be home. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-03-07, 09:22 AM	#3
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi Penny, welcome back!:p No I don't care to elaborate because this is a welcome home thread for me Professor, so, if you wouldn't mind, keep on topic, cuz otherwise I am gonna have to moderate your ass!:rotfl::rotfl: I just think he was overrated because I studied him to death during school and then again in college and I was just not impressed, further, I found a rumour when I was reading around about him in College that some of his work was ghost authored by Bacon, whether or not this is true I don't know... the main reason I don't like Shakespeare is because of his personal conduct. Also, I got a bit sick of studying him... so I now harbour some personal animosity to him. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-03-07, 10:15 AM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Didnt know you had gone :rotfl: WB BTW __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

06-03-07, 10:31 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It seems she feels the same about England's national poet like I do feel about Germany's "national" poet, Goethe - overrated. Both had their moments, of course, and things that people use to quote, but all in all I see both as - well, overrated I mean. I saw several Shakespeare pieces, at school, at TV, even in cinemas, but many of them have one thing in common: a lot of people running around with a heavy mind, and in the end they all are dead. However, this is something that they also made of Shakespeare, and I love it. I have seen it three times now within one year, and every time I was laughing tears. It also is wonderfully filmed, and has some very excellent actors who obviously did truly enjoy to play their parts. http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Shak...0884029&sr=1-5 Set in the beautifully filmed Toskana, this is how I always thought the Summer Night's Dream must be performed: humourous, beautiful, light and with an easy hand and a twinkling eye, and with bright, almost boisterous colours - perfect! The images and locations it offers to the eyes are simply beautiful. Kevin Kline was a great choice to cast. I also love that guy playing the Puck, an Australian, I think. Best Puck I have ever seen - and I saw him in four different versions. there is one scene in the middle, a mud-bath, that one simply has to ignore, for it is too exaggerated, but it is over after 30 seconds, and then the pleasure continues to unfold. For those who usually have difficulties to approach Shakespeare in general, and the Midsummer Night's Dream in special, this is the one version that could make you change your mind. And it illustrates why this piece is rated as a comedy - in no other version I ever laughed. In this one, at the end I always have tears in my eyes from laughing. I love it! It's also the only version where you see Puck finding a bicyle in the forest and wondering what it is before having plenty of fun with it! :rotfl: __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-03-07, 12:53 PM	#10
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was joking! __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

06-03-07, 05:24 PM	#13
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	My first Shakespeare was MacBeth, then Hamlet. I was and am in love with the git I'm comfortable with the Marlovian theory, if I had to choose another author it would be Chris __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-03-07, 06:42 PM	#15
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, having read pretty much all of the Bard's work, I have to say that I don't agree with him being called 'an overrated hack' at all. I'm sure that there's a big difference between choosing to read Big Bill's works and effectively being forced to read them in order to get an exam result, particularly when some lecturers can get a bit 'up their own arse' about meanings and such. And, I'll grant you that in terms of storylines, Shakespeare is not exactly the most elaborate, in fact some of his plots are just plain silly. But you have to weigh against that, almost certainly some of the best dialogue, prose and poetry ever put down on paper. And, if you view the storylines within the period they appear, and on the timeframe of dramatic development, they are probably no worse than anything else in terms of dramatic story structure, so even that is forgiveable. They were, after all, originally written for an audience with a more limited grasp of the world and its affairs. But that writing is just magical. William Shakespeare is one of the treasures of the literary world, and anyone who can't see that, is really blind, or at the very least didn't read it at all. Reading WS when you actually want to read it - rather than when you have to in order to answer some exam questions and extoll a bunch of exam-pass cliches about it to some bored matriculator - is when you'll appreciate it. In any case, welcome back PG. Chock