Venezuela shuts down free speech

[Sea Demon]

No surprise. Never fails. Socialism/Communism always comes to this. Political oppression is always the eventual outcome when trying to implement Marxism. When will people learn....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...ype=RSS&rpc=22

[Yahoshua]

History now repeats itself, with the near exact circumstances that slowly brought Stalin into power.

[Frau_Phillips]

*sighs*

If only Marxism WORKED.

[bookworm_020]

Originally Posted by Frau_Phillips

*sighs*

If only Marxism WORKED.

If only democracy worked! It's just the best of a bad bunch!

[NefariousKoel]

I won't go into political idealism as some of you have. I think we all agree that this is a horrible indicator. Hopefully you saw it coming years ago as I did.

As for the Venezuelans, whom this thread should be about, I feel pity.

Many of them have already fled to the US previously, and I suspect some of the holdouts will do so now or die.

Being an immigration reformist supporter, as all Americans are, I hope any Venezuelan wishing to become a US citizen is given it without a hassle. I won't bitch about the illegals from other countries in this thread and their motivations but I think this is legit enough to warrant a blanket acceptance from such a place.

I wish them luck.

[Frau_Phillips]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

I won't bitch about the illegals from other countries in this thread and their motivations but I think this is legit enough to warrant a blanket acceptance from such a place.

Yeah, extreme poverty isn't a legit enough reason. Neither is the desire for a better life for one's children, or anything like that..

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

If only democracy worked! It's just the best of a bad bunch!

You have to define "works". Democracy does "work". The fact that your sitting at home able to criticize it is proof of that. It works to give people a reasonable defense against brutality/oppression in most situations (unless of course your a minority part of the population subject to majority tyranny in a state without baseline citizen rights laws).

Marxism "works" to... but only for the guy at the top... Castro, Jong-il, and Chavez... that reap the benefit while everyone else a glorified slave.

[The Avon Lady]

Don't cry for me, Venezuela.........

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Don't cry for me, Venezuela.........

Once their little socialist experiment fails, and it will, we'll have to clean up their mess. The U.S. taxpayer will that is. Mark my words.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

If only democracy worked! It's just the best of a bad bunch!

It does. Thats why it will eventually kill us or it.

[Yahoshua]

Chavez' thugs open fire n protestors.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070528/...a_chavez_vs_tv

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

Being an immigration reformist supporter, as all Americans are, I hope any Venezuelan wishing to become a US citizen is given it without a hassle. I won't bitch about the illegals from other countries in this thread and their motivations but I think this is legit enough to warrant a blanket acceptance from such a place.

Nope. I don't agree at all. The people need to stay where they are and fight what it is they need to fight. To just move on out is to invite tyranny to stay in. Not acceptable.

-S

PS. All Americans may be a reformist supporters but I know no one that supports the ideas of opening up the borders as you suggest - The majority want exactly the opposit. They want them to tighten our borders and kick all these illegals out - lest we end up like Spain. They allowed them to stay in Spain, and it ended up being an open ticket invitation to the rest of the world - Word spread like wildfire with everyone wanting to come in and they did come in. Now to win a governmental election in Spain simply requires you to campaign on tough immigration. Nice. Now we have stupid people trying to do the same in the US and allow the illegals to stay. Good thing this bill that was proposed by Bush is getting squashed.

To put it simply - To allow illegals to stay after entering illegally is to invite disaster for the United States of America. No other way to put it.

[NefariousKoel]

Well, I've stirred something up...

Originally Posted by Frau_Phillips

Yeah, extreme poverty isn't a legit enough reason. Neither is the desire for a better life for one's children, or anything like that..

Perhaps these people should strive to better their poverty level and not expect us to do it for them. I've seen far too many illegals lately and I assure you, they're buying steak with foodstamps my taxes helped pay for while I'm waiting in line behind them at the grocery store scraping money for bread. I see these people daily where I'm at. They're not fleeing oppression, they're embracing a free ride at our expense.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

Well, I've stirred something up...

Perhaps these people should strive to better their poverty level and not expect us to do it for them. I've seen far too many illegals lately and I assure you, they're buying steak with foodstamps my taxes helped pay for while I'm waiting in line behind them at the grocery store scraping money for bread. I see these people daily where I'm at. They're not fleeing oppression, they're embracing a free ride at our expense.

Repeating a 15 minute must-see video: Immigration by the Numbers.

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Nope. I don't agree at all. The people need to stay where they are and fight what it is they need to fight. To just move on out is to invite tyranny to stay in. Not acceptable.

-S

PS. All Americans may be a reformist supporters but I know no one that supports the ideas of opening up the borders as you suggest - The majority want exactly the opposit. They want them to tighten our borders and kick all these illegals out - lest we end up like Spain. They allowed them to stay in Spain, and it ended up being an open ticket invitation to the rest of the world - Word spread like wildfire with everyone wanting to come in and they did come in. Now to win a governmental election in Spain simply requires you to campaign on tough immigration. Nice. Now we have stupid people trying to do the same in the US and allow the illegals to stay. Good thing this bill that was proposed by Bush is getting squashed.

To put it simply - To allow illegals to stay after entering illegally is to invite disaster for the United States of America. No other way to put it.

I think you misunderstood me Subman. I don't, in any way, support legalizing illegal immigrants. My point was that we should accept any of the holdout political enemies of Chavez' Venezuela without question. They'll be on the chopping block soon if they don't leave.

I'm not saying let them all flood in. It's a "worker's paradise" there now so the poor aren't leaving in droves.