Bear With Me...I want a debate here

Frau_Phillips · 05-24-07, 11:59 PM

I apologise if this has already been discussed, I searched and found nada. And I know this issue has kind of passed, but I still wonder.

The Virginia Tech deaths have been increasingly on my mind. I tried to look for news stories, and those damn photos of that lunatic popped up, and to be honest, I started to cry.

There's a lot of speculation over whether to media did the "right" thing, airing that multi-media madness that Cho made. I know that me, being a very sensitive chick with 0 nads is always very disturbed to see his face and the hate in his eyes. I ripped out the photos from my Time magazine and burned them, but the pictures are still everywhere, it's hard to avoid.

Do you guys think that the decision to show them was good/wise?

Another question.

People are including Cho as one of the victims. Not just in a body-count, but as an "innocent" victim, tortured by society or something. One man said Cho was part of his "family" of college students.

Do y'all agree with that? Is this guy a victim?

I dont think so. I was beat up and picked on for 8 years of my life, and I didnt go shooting anybody up, I started homeschooling.

Just asking for some opinions. And please dont let this turn into a gun-control thing, I dont want to get into that.

Oberon · 05-25-07, 12:23 AM

It's definately not an issue of gun control here (so I ain't even gonna GO there

) but one of media control. As we all know, the media is always out for a quick buck, a good story no matter what the outcome. You've only gotta look at the furour they were making over poor Madeline, and that guy they questioned in Portugal last week...if you had listened to the media at that point, you'd have thought he'd been charged.
Releasing the footage and pictures is fair enough, splashing them all over the front pages of every newspaper in the land for several weeks...a little OTT perhaps. People knew what had happened, and constantly being reminded of the fact just makes them feel as though there is no good in this world. I'm often told 'There's never anything good on the news these days, it's all doom and gloom.' which to me is a sign of the times we live in.
Sorry if I've rambled a bit, I've not long woken up...need my cup of tea...

August · 05-25-07, 12:47 AM

I think we're just coming to grips with the realization that no matter how badly the media portrays these human wolves, to them infamous is just as good as famous. These mad dogs do this for the attention as much as anything else, even if its posthumous.

If I were king of the world I would remove their claim to fame by eliminating all mention of the perpetrators names and especially any written or video manifesto they leave behind in all but such things as medical and psychiatric journals.

Note that does not mean I would hide the event, just the name of the killer.

Frau_Phillips · 05-25-07, 12:52 AM

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I think we're just coming to grips with the realization that no matter how badly the media portrays these human wolves, to them infamous is just as good as famous. These mad dogs do this for the attention as much as anything else, even if its posthumous.

If I were king of the world I would remove their claim to fame by eliminating all mention of the perpetrators names and especially any written or video manifesto they leave behind in all but such things as medical and psychiatric journals.

Note that does not mean I would hide the event, just the name of the killer.

Right, I agree. I dont want them to be evil and soulless, but I never EVER want to give them anything close to what they wanted.

August · 05-25-07, 01:02 AM

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Right, I agree. I dont want them to be evil and soulless, but I never EVER want to give them anything close to what they wanted.

Yep, or be an example to other would be wolves either.

Skybird · 05-25-07, 05:30 AM

You can be a symptom of a social community or culture, nevertheless still be responsible for your deeds, since you are no totally instinct-driven lower animal, but a creature capable of self-reflection and realising the difference between suffering and not-suffering in oneself, and in others (there is this thing like sociopathy which means a person being really unable to see that difference, what often even is to be noted in certain brain areas not being normally functional). Events like school shootings are a symptom for media culture, society's state, and disfunctional families (which often are a symptom themselves, for the state of the greater social community they are embedded in). Nevertheless, the shooters are still responsible. In a way they are victim and perpetrator at the same time. You really should hold them responsible by the terms of the law.

What you should not do is: learning from them, by hating them. Determination in stopping, countering them, and force them to accept the legal responsebility for what they have done, is enough.

tycho102 · 05-25-07, 01:33 PM

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Do y'all agree with that? Is this guy a victim?

He could certainly have used a stay at the local nuthouse, but he was cognizant enough to be responsible for his own actions. There are screwballs with whom I can sympathize. He wasn't one of them.

Things ought to work differently for the next nutjob through there. Genetics and environment are interactive, and someone may be predisposed to blowing their own brains out but not necessarily lots of others around them. I'd post a picture of the machinst mate on "Down Periscope" as an example, but I don't have the DVD to make an animated gif of the scene.

August · 05-25-07, 02:12 PM

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Do y'all agree with that? Is this guy a victim?

Absolutely not.

Yahoshua · 05-25-07, 09:25 PM

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Do you guys think that the decision to show them was good/wise?

I believe the media was irresponsible in how they approached the situatiuon, and they ultimately glorified Cho.......it was a disgusting spectacle that even led to the copycat incident at NASA.

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Another question.

People are including Cho as one of the victims. Not just in a body-count, but as an "innocent" victim, tortured by society or something. One man said Cho was part of his "family" of college students.

That man has problems if he sees Cho as a "victim." And I don't know about him, but I don't really consider a serial killer as being "part of my family."

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Do y'all agree with that? Is this guy a victim?

No. He knew what he was doing. A real victim would want help, victims wouldn't lash out like this.

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Just asking for some opinions. And please dont let this turn into a gun-control thing, I dont want to get into that.

Just search around on this site and you'll find plenty of that.

Frau_Phillips · 05-25-07, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frau_Phillips

Just asking for some opinions. And please dont let this turn into a gun-control thing, I dont want to get into that.

Just search around on this site and you'll find plenty of that.

I posted this on my second day on the site, and I already knew I didnt even want to go there.

05-24-07, 11:59 PM	#1
Frau_Phillips Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the ocean Posts: 122 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bear With Me...I want a debate here I apologise if this has already been discussed, I searched and found nada. And I know this issue has kind of passed, but I still wonder. The Virginia Tech deaths have been increasingly on my mind. I tried to look for news stories, and those damn photos of that lunatic popped up, and to be honest, I started to cry. There's a lot of speculation over whether to media did the "right" thing, airing that multi-media madness that Cho made. I know that me, being a very sensitive chick with 0 nads is always very disturbed to see his face and the hate in his eyes. I ripped out the photos from my Time magazine and burned them, but the pictures are still everywhere, it's hard to avoid. Do you guys think that the decision to show them was good/wise? Another question. People are including Cho as one of the victims. Not just in a body-count, but as an "innocent" victim, tortured by society or something. One man said Cho was part of his "family" of college students. Do y'all agree with that? Is this guy a victim? I dont think so. I was beat up and picked on for 8 years of my life, and I didnt go shooting anybody up, I started homeschooling. Just asking for some opinions. And please dont let this turn into a gun-control thing, I dont want to get into that.

05-25-07, 12:47 AM	#3
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think we're just coming to grips with the realization that no matter how badly the media portrays these human wolves, to them infamous is just as good as famous. These mad dogs do this for the attention as much as anything else, even if its posthumous. If I were king of the world I would remove their claim to fame by eliminating all mention of the perpetrators names and especially any written or video manifesto they leave behind in all but such things as medical and psychiatric journals. Note that does not mean I would hide the event, just the name of the killer. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

05-25-07, 05:30 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You can be a symptom of a social community or culture, nevertheless still be responsible for your deeds, since you are no totally instinct-driven lower animal, but a creature capable of self-reflection and realising the difference between suffering and not-suffering in oneself, and in others (there is this thing like sociopathy which means a person being really unable to see that difference, what often even is to be noted in certain brain areas not being normally functional). Events like school shootings are a symptom for media culture, society's state, and disfunctional families (which often are a symptom themselves, for the state of the greater social community they are embedded in). Nevertheless, the shooters are still responsible. In a way they are victim and perpetrator at the same time. You really should hold them responsible by the terms of the law. What you should not do is: learning from them, by hating them. Determination in stopping, countering them, and force them to accept the legal responsebility for what they have done, is enough. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-25-07, 12:23 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's definately not an issue of gun control here (so I ain't even gonna GO there ) but one of media control. As we all know, the media is always out for a quick buck, a good story no matter what the outcome. You've only gotta look at the furour they were making over poor Madeline, and that guy they questioned in Portugal last week...if you had listened to the media at that point, you'd have thought he'd been charged. Releasing the footage and pictures is fair enough, splashing them all over the front pages of every newspaper in the land for several weeks...a little OTT perhaps. People knew what had happened, and constantly being reminded of the fact just makes them feel as though there is no good in this world. I'm often told 'There's never anything good on the news these days, it's all doom and gloom.' which to me is a sign of the times we live in. Sorry if I've rambled a bit, I've not long woken up...need my cup of tea...