A word of advice for all Subsim skippers..

[CaptainHaplo]

There have recently been a slew of closed threads - all relating to "if ubi doesn't patch SH4 then we oughtta......"

Folks, these discussions are pointless, and reflect badly on the forum. This forum is the #1 naval (NOTE - not just sub) "bbs" out there. A multitude of companies look at this site - not just Ubi. In the last few years we have gotten extra tidbits first from these companies because of the support and activity they see here. If they come here and see flame and threat posts, their interest in us as a community - and as consumers - dies.

And do you think SH3 and 4 where as moddable as they were because the devs felt like doing it that way? It was done that way to better serve us. No - its not easy - but they could have hard coded darned near everything....

No - I am not happy with SH4 in its current state. But there are ways to voice your opinion. Email them - sign Neal's petition - and Wait. IF Ubi decides 1.2 is it - then a discussion can take place as to what happens then - but even then - THIS site is not the place for that discussion. But at this point alot of people are putting the cart before the horse, with threats and such when no decision is yet made. Given the support SH3 recieved - and the fact Ubi listened on the starforce issue - aren't some folks going of the deep end?

Threats of lawsuits, boycotts, etc do nothing to pressure companies - or individuals for that matter. They look at a buglist - say "man we cant fix 70+ bugs in one more patch - so these people will still be screaming at us with these threats even if we make another patch - so why should we?" They know they will never make everyone totally happy - so when you act like this - they wonder why they should try. When you let them know "hey - here is a list of stuff that needs addressing - and a whole slew of us would love to see these things fixed" - they are gonna be a lot more apt to consider putting resources into it.

What I am trying to get across is this - voice your displeasure to Ubisoft - but remember that what you post here reflects on not just you - but on us all. So remember why your here - to enjoy good discussion about games, enjoy the humor and company, and help make Subsim even better.

That is what has made Subsim what it is today, and will keep gaming companies (not just Ubi) - interested in the desires of this community.

[AVGWarhawk]

Right on target! Sign the vote poll and Neals poll. Go to the UBI site and state your case for the patch. Let them hear your voice for why we need a patch.

[mookiemookie]

Buy that man a beer!

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

There have recently been a slew of closed threads - all relating to "if ubi doesn't patch SH4 then we oughtta......"

Folks....buzzz...

Thanks for that enlightment. We need such advice badly.

[Chock]

Right on baby! Agree totally. There is no need to get snotty with UBISOFT before we even know what they are fixing and tweeking. But the 'gentle' reminder of the 1.3 petition thread lets the company know how we feel without causing ill-will.

Fortunately, on Neal's 1.3 patch petition thread, virtually everyone has responded in a polite way. Merely stating the case with maybe a useful comment or two and signing their name.

I think it's fair to say that simulator software tends to be aimed at the more mature gaming fan than perhaps FPS-type games are (I like those too BTW), but you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise with some of the threads that have appeared on this forum recently.

[Herr Kapitan]

Nonsense, UbiSoft have a duty of care to it's paying customers to patch this game and do it properly as well.

If they leave this game unfinished then there is no excuse for them. So many people preface their desire for a 1.3 patch with the word please, well let me tell you now the only please should be coming from UbiSoft... along the lines of please forgive us for taking your custom for granted and for making you pay full price for something that was half finished. And what's more they knew it was half finished as well.

Can I just say to you Ubisoft you have really shot yourself in the foot this time, in future people will not be interested in your half finished offerings and will demand finished games before buying from you, and long may it continue that way as well.

The bottom line is that I marked SH4 game packages with my finger nail at two stores a month ago and those games are still there growing older by the day with no takers. I was lusting for this game when it came out - but due to my work I did not have time to go buy it and load it - so I waited a few weeks. Then it became obvious that SH4 made SH3 look like a near perfect game. I had been sickened by the SH3 fixes done by Ubi - it only really became a game after much modding. I was going to be damned if I was going to go through another period of crap like that. SO I decided to WAIT for SH4 patch 1.4. But as time passed the lists of troubles kept piling up - I follow many sites and made a master list of all I could find. This game was a bit less than 50% completed when shipped. I can't think of another game of this class and cost that was so totally screwed up. I don't blame the DEVS - I blame the company and the suits who run the mess. I've worked enough in orginizations to know where the blame should go!

I do grow tired of all the EXCUSE makers whom I assume are talking heads for Ubi. I realized beofre patch 1.2 came out that I would be lucky to see patch 1.4. I do think you will see patch 1.3 and it may fix a great deal of your problems. I think that Ubi realizes that this next patch will be about it, and they know it has to be a very good one! They need an instant change in how the public views them and I think they will make sure patch SH4 1.3 is better than that patch 1.3 was for SH3. But it will still fall short and if sales don't pick up, Ubi will just forget patch 1.4.

Are modders coming to the rescue this time? I know some who have just walked away. I am afraid SH4 may turn out to be SH2(version 4) as regards flaws. Likely Ubi will get out of sub games which might be good for everyone. This would open a slot up in the market and perhaps in some years another company could step in to fill it better. But personally I am ready to forgive Ubi EVERYTHING if it will continue to help in making SH4 a true functional game. I just doubt it will. Obviously SH4 has very bad managment. Perhaps Ubi could sell it's code to another better run outfit?

In any event I continue with SH3.

[John Channing]

Ubisoft Sales for 4th fiscal quarter 06-07.

"Sales for the fourth quarter of 2006-07 came to €197 million, up 37.4%, or 41.7% at constant exchange rates, compared with the €144 million recorded for the same period of 2005-06.

Full-year sales for fiscal 2006-07 totaled €680 million, versus €547 million for fiscal 2005-06, representing an increase of 24.4%, or 27.2% at constant exchange rates.

Fourth-quarter sales beat the €152 million minimum target Ubisoft projected in its third-quarter sales figures announcement by €45 million. "

JCC

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Herr Kapitan

Nonsense, UbiSoft have a duty of care to it's paying customers to patch this game and do it properly as well.

If they leave this game unfinished then there is no excuse for them. So many people preface their desire for a 1.3 patch with the word please, well let me tell you now the only please should be coming from UbiSoft... along the lines of please forgive us for taking your custom for granted and for making you pay full price for something that was half finished. And what's more they knew it was half finished as well.

Can I just say to you Ubisoft you have really shot yourself in the foot this time, in future people will not be interested in your half finished offerings and will demand finished games before buying from you, and long may it continue that way as well.

You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

[Hitman]

voice your displeasure to Ubisoft - but remember that what you post here reflects on not just you - but on us all

So true!!


Right now I just wish one thing: No matter if a 1.3 patch is out (I obviously prefer it to happen), I want this all to end now, with a definitive decission. Really, I prefer the game not to stay at 1.2 level, but ultimately what I look forward is to all ranting ending and the modders silently but firmly getting into the game and correcting/improving anything in need of it. Modders can work marvels, and trust me as a veteran of naval games and modding: SH4 1.2 can be kicked through modding to a level even better and historically more accurate than SH3. The peculiarities of the Pacific warfare fit way better into the current engine limitations than the Atlantic battle, and I know what I'm talking about!.

[CaptainHaplo]

Herr Kapitan and Wave Skipper,

Your both entitled to your view - what I am stating here is NOT that your wrong - NOT that Ubisoft doesnt "owe" us another patch - I am simply letting it be known that this forum is bigger than SH4, its issues and Ubisoft. You can gripe and complain all day long - but doing it HERE - reflects badly on us as a community - when you have the OPPORTUNITY to complain to Ubisoft directly.

I am not telling anyone that they should not be unhappy about Ubisoft's lack of info on a patch, if one occurs. I am not saying we dont have a right to be ticked if it doesnt happen.

I am however reminding everyone that HERE is called subsim.com - NOT Ubisoft.com - and complaints, threats and everything else are not only ineffective - but your telling the wrong people.

Here in the south of the US - we have a saying. Its called "Your preaching to the choir." We ALL want a patch - and there are threads for you to voice your desire for one. But do so with some maturity, and if you want to threaten lawsuits, boycotts, or laying a fat steaming smelly present on some executives desk, do it elsewhere. Subsim.com isnt the place for it. I dont think that is to much to ask. I am asking - moderators close threads. Take your pick gents.

[TheSatyr]

Where is the OFFICIAL word from Ubi or a Dev? All we have is the word of a guy that runs an SH4 site who may or may not have a grudge against Ubi or SH4. I never take the word of a third party on anything.

Until we get OFFICIAL word from an actual representative from UBI or from the Dev team,then I honestly think you all are overeacting big time.

Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Where is the OFFICIAL word from Ubi or a Dev? All we have is the word of a guy that runs an SH4 site who may or may not have a grudge against Ubi or SH4. I never take the word of a third party on anything.

Until we get OFFICIAL word from an actual representative from UBI or from the Dev team,then I honestly think you all are overeacting big time.

you're pretty misinformed..

[U-927]

Ive seen this before, and then nothng happens.
You have to remember your not dealing with just people, your dealing with a multi million $$ company.
It's no skin off their noses to throw a bone once in awhile.
I don't know how things work where your at, but here debate is how things get done and ideas are formed.
I see this as another attempt to appease people in order to keep them quiet.
I don't like adversarial contriversy, but I like healthy debate and idea spawning, and if this community is going to become better and grow then you have to allow people to voice their opinions, no matter what you may think of it.
It's sort of like a grab bag at a grocery store, you pick up and keep what you like and discard the rest.
I have learned more in the past week here than I have the whole time I have been associated with this community, and all thru open discussion before it was quashed .
The people are what make a community, become a strong community then people will want to deal with you because you have the juice and man power to get things done.
If you worry about stepping on toes and hurting some executives feelings, then all your going to get is a bone thrown to ya once in awhile.
I want the same things you folks want, but all I see right now is the same thing I have seen since I joined way back when, the same road with the same bumps and ruts in it.



Charlie

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I agree with Haplo and Satyr.

Way too much speculation and over-reacting and not enough hard information.
All the yelling about lawsuits and not buying any more UBSoft started months ago.
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