If you don't think its a war.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terroris...atwa_1996.html

[ASWnut101]

PBS made this?


I'm shocked and amazed!

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

PBS made this?


I'm shocked and amazed!

I thought I would not get too much flak using PBS.

[bradclark1]

I don't think anybody has said there isn't a war against terrorism. As far as the fatwa, I think there are probably hundreds against the U.S. so one more doesn't change anything regardless of who said/wrote it. On a technical side bin Laden can't issue a fatwa. He doesn't have the credentials. To Sunni's fatwa's are just an opinion. I have opinions but I can't make fatwa's either.

[Tchocky]

Yeah, trust Osama. He's a sane, level-headed guy.

[TteFAboB]

Holy crap!

And that is what a man can do when he, well, has nothing to do, living in the mountains, without SH3, virgins, etc.

That was 66583 characters, short. Concise and straight to the point isn't it?

Let's try some other declarations of war. German against the Netherlands:

We announce to you the deployment of an enormous German military force. Any resistance is perfectly futile [The Germans are Borg!]. Germany guarantees the territorial integrity in Europe and Overseas, as well as the dynasty, if any resistance remains absent. If not, then a danger exists of complete annihilation of the country and its form of government. Therefore we admonish you urgently to make an appeal to the people and the military forces and furthermore to establish a line of communication with the German military commanders.

Motivation: We have irrefutable proof of an imminent threat of invasion by France and England in Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, which had long been prepared with the joint knowledge of the Netherlands and Belgium, with the purpose of attacking the Ruhr area.

813 characters, including my Borg comment.

American declaration of war on Bulgaria:

June 5, 1942
Dept. of State Bulletin, June 6, 1942.
"JOINT RESOLUTION Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Bulgaria and the Government and the people of the United States and making provisions to prosecute the same. (Public Law 563, 77th Congress.)
"Whereas the Government of Bulgaria has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it
"Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress Assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Government of Bulgaria which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Government of Bulgaria; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States. "Approved, June 5, 1942." (Joint resolutions declaring a state of war with Hungary and Rumania, mutatis mutandis, were also approved June 5, 1942.) (Public Law 564 and 565, respectively.)

1255 characters including the parenthesis at the end.

DOW on Germany:

Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Germany and the government and the people of the United States and making provision to prosecute the same.
Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the government and the people of the United States of America:
Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

903 characters. DOW on Japan is pretty much the same size.

Bin Laden invented the super-DOW: it's an all in one political manifesto, prayer, historical revision, speech, defense of the weak and oppressed, economic dissertation, rally for unification under a common cause and on and on and on. Of course this is counter productive: his disciples won't bother declaring war on any other nation because it just takes too much effort. You can plan a terror attack in the same amount of time that it takes to vomit 66500 characters.

1996.

The man may not have had the Islamic power to issue the Fatwa, but according to PBS he did. Many did and have followed his call.

GW Bush was little more than a governor of the state of Texas.
Where was the POTUS?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

1996.

The man may not have had the Islamic power to issue the Fatwa, but according to PBS he did. Many did and have followed his call.

GW Bush was little more than a governor of the state of Texas.
Where was the POTUS?

Not trying to be funny but if the POTUS had a crystal ball to see into the future more probably would have been done. The link below kind of sums it up for that timeframe. The short story is patterns and putting it together.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/terr...1996index.html

Here is from 1990-98.
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism/terrorism6.htm

[Sea Demon]

The POTUS (Clinton) in the 1990's saw the World Trade Center attacked by Islamic terrorists and did nothing. The POTUS in the 1990's had two American embassies hit by Islamic terrorists with Americans killed. With no reaction from the Clinton White House. Clinton oversaw American troops at the Khobar towers get slaughtered in cold blood. Clinton did nothing of substance. That same POTUS saw Islamic terrorists hit an American warship(USS Cole)on his watch....again no response. Maybe Clinton was too busy arming China to the teeth with space related technologies to notice????:hmm:

Anybody feel safe with a Democrat in the White House??? Come on...really?

[bradclark1]

How many Americans got killed per terrorist action under Clinton?
How many Americans got killed per terrorist action under Bush?
Which president was warned that an terrorist attack was imminent in the Continental U.S. but did nothing?
In fact if we really want to get stupid how many terrorist incidents in U.S. controlled territories have happened in the last five years and this president has done nothing to stop it.

[Sea Demon]

While it's true it happened under Bush, the stage was set for more attacks during the Clinton era. Had Clinton done his job, there would have been no 9/11. And after that terrorist attack, at least we get a response from the Bush Administration. Unlike Clinton, the Bush Administration at least acknowledges terrorism exists, we're at risk from it, and it needs to be confronted. And since 9/11, no major attacks against us on US soil. And to add to that, the technology transfers to China [sponsored by the US government under Clinton (D)] stopped under Bush(R). The Republicans may not be the best bunch, but at least you know they're on our side. Meanwhile the Democrats are doing everything in their power to make the USA lose this war, providing comfort to Islamic fanatics with deadlines, Demoralizing our soldiers with their rhetoric, and dishonoring all who have been deployed to the Iraq theatre of war.

In other good news, The Democrat Congress's approval rating is at 29%.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

While it's true it happened under Bush, the stage was set for more attacks during the Clinton era. Had Clinton done his job, there would have been no 9/11. And after that terrorist attack, at least we get a response from the Bush Administration. Unlike Clinton, the Bush Administration at least acknowledges terrorism exists, we're at risk from it, and it needs to be confronted. And since 9/11, no major attacks against us on US soil. And to add to that, the technology transfers to China [sponsored by the US government under Clinton (D)] stopped under Bush(R). The Republicans may not be the best bunch, but at least you know they're on our side. Meanwhile the Democrats are doing everything in their power to make the USA lose this war, providing comfort to Islamic fanatics with deadlines, Demoralizing our soldiers with their rhetoric, and dishonoring all who have been deployed to the Iraq theatre of war.

Then Bush senior was responsible for the Trade Tower bombing? That was in February, Clinton took over in January. Buck passing could go on all day with the exception of Bush junior knowing a terrorist attack was coming and did nothing to find out what.
Everything you say has been said numerous times before and if you can't remember my replies just click on my name and look up my past posts. You will see where I knocked your legs out from under your arguments numerous times but instead of replying you ignore or switch to some other subject.

In other good news, The Democrat Congress's approval rating is at 29%.

Yes the Democrats are sucking but I haven't seen any polls. I guess they didn't learn anything about the Republican failures.

While we're at it let's try and stick to the subject instead of hijacking into politics.

[Sea Demon]

True, But Clinton didn't respond. He let things go to the point where it could and would happen again. Several times over. Bush Sr. at that point was gone and powerless to do anything. Bush Jr. responded after his first confrontation with it. And is confronting terrorism now. And every single action he takes, the Democrats demand it stop. Meaning the Democrats don't want to confront it. The Democrats are against wire-tapping suspected terrorists calling to Pakistan and such, the Democrats want to shut down Guantanamo, the Democrats want those same terrorists from the battlefield to be given US attorneys and constitutional protections, the Democrats want to oddly apply the Geneva conventions to terrorists despite them being unlawful combatants, the Democrats want to undercut us in the Iraqi theatre by demanding deadlines and withdrawal (surrender).

This is the topic. Democrats don't think it's a war. The Democrats even wanted to ban "War on Terror" as a way to describe our current foreign policy. The fact is, Democrats don't understand we are at war. They will not fight it. They will not protect American lives. What they will do is undermine their own country. They will demoralize our troops. They will provide comfort to terrorists in theatre.

Zogby poll yesterday showed Congress at 29%. Despite all the people saying Bush is irrelevant becausae he's at 33% approval, I wonder where that leaves the slim majority of Democrats in Congress.

Originally Posted by bradclark1

........look up my past posts. You will see where I knocked your legs out from under your arguments.....blah....blah...blah...

I don't know what you've been smoking. But it must be good. Your "arguments" leave alot to be desired.

[cobalt]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

While it's true it happened under Bush, the stage was set for more attacks during the Clinton era. Had Clinton done his job, there would have been no 9/11.

its our foriegn policies that breed that kind of **** not the fact that Clinton didnt go and invade foriegn countries because of a couple of little bombings.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by cobalt

its our foriegn policies that breed that kind of **** not the fact that Clinton didnt go and invade foriegn countries because of a couple of little bombings.

So you're saying there was no Islamic terrorism before Gulf War 1? There was no Islamic terrorism before the USA entered Afghanistan? There was no terrorism before G.W. Bush, huh? You do know that Islamic fundamentalism has been aggressively pursuing it's goals long before the USA even existed...right?