Personal statement !

[JCWolf]

Personal statement






I've joined this forum and community for more the 2 years , and been enjoying
this place since then, I remember my starting as a graphic modder and the moment of happiness
and personal realization when I released the first Mod a Leer tga graphic file, it was a very good
sensation, but I learned something quickly, I could not use the others files to change or retouch
in my own mod making without crediting the guys and in most cases ask the guy that built the
mod the permission to use it, but I guess I was always a responsible dude and also a Honest
one as those are my believes.

The so called Modders that when I arrived add already a huge reputation helped
me somehow to understand that, and I quickly got the message, the first thought I had was really
the one that you have when you pop up in a place and see a all group of guys that make
all kind of mods and talk in tech. Terms about changing files like it was so easy as drinking
a beer, and you feel small near by those guys, and most of the time you ask yourself, what the
hell am I doing here, could I really get to the place and status this guys have and learn what they
know...I found that most things are a matter of aptitude, some are good in a mod field and others
in other mod fields, but generally they all come with those little or big modded files that for free
change our way of playing SH without spending a single Cent but the Modem and net account in
our place....I know that is for some hard to understand the word Ethic, but if I change this word for
Honesty, or another like Integrity or maybe Honor, would it be more understandable?!!

Some how During 2 years modding for all of you without asking anything in exchange
I thought that I would never would see a thing or some people being allowed to drag
the name of some valuable and old members of this forum threw the Floor and
above all see that a one time healthy community being slowly devastated on
things that had brought this forum the undoubted
quality that haves now, were is the protection of the guys and work that helped
this forum and Sub Sim in general get to the hight level ground were is right now??!!!
Should then we change now the words Honesty and Ethics for ,Anarchy or
Land of Opportunity and just let the “Wounder Kids” start “Modding” what ever they like using what
ever they want,. I always trusted on my feelings, And I will until I die, cause they showed up to me what road I should take on my life course...

I like Sub Sim but I can't believe what I'm seeing happening here, and ons more I called upon those same instincts and my hart that helped me following the road that my final judgment
dictated... I took the decision, and along you the ones that feel the same I trust that this words will make you think and reach to a conclusion that will suit you better...
What can one do, when confronting a community and its owners total Apathy and I
think lack of protection on the Original Modders that helped the Forum grow in the first place ?!
What is a good final and reasonable agreement so that the one Who fully creates a
Mod see is work at least respected in its Integrity and structure..
What can The Owners do to stop the Mod pillage without hurting the new incoming
future creators...???

What is Honesty?


I believe I know the replies for those questions, but it seems to me that some of us don't!

I can't be in a place that brings and lets drag people like Kpt. Lehmman in the Mud
and watch people now get offensive with GWX team. I feel sad today, and coming here right
now is not just the same as it was some time ago...
If this is what you want, a free style play ground, OK, thats what you get, everybody is
allowed to between the lines insult who ever he wants...
I for example add my part and see no future in a place that allows this kind of remarks to
guys that gave their blood and personal sacrifice to bring this place some new level, I respect
a lot Neal and his stuff, who ever they are, don't know nobody personally but spended among
you guys a lot of time,...

I decided to retire from my sub sim activity's and thats why I'm sad, and also cause I am
very close to the GWX team and Kl, and don't understand why you do not defend the man and protect GW's work a better way...

Threads are opened and created to clarify some stuff, and closed , and reopened , and
closed, and nobody really wants to get wet and jump into the Conning Tower and say or have
the B.... to say ...Hey KL is right!

I also know that some here will twist the wrong way my words just to get what they want,
but really my friends....

...I don't give a damn, so go ahead and twist my words the way you like!

This is my Statement , and defensive action of support for Kpt Lehmman and GWX team.




JCWolf...

[Sailor Steve]

I don't know what to say. I'm confused, I don't know exactly which threads you're refering to; I have my suspicions, but I understand why you didn't want to be more specific.

I personally support everybody who puts out that much heart, soul and work into making these games better. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "dragging people through the mud". I don't normally defend or condemn too quickly because I'm not involved in the modding, and I don't know exactly what opinion to express when people start arguing about theft and other similar accusations.

I appreciate the work you yourself have done, and will try to understand what you're feeling. Other than that, I don't know what I can do. I'm not a modder, or an owner, or anything other than a guy who likes it here.

[bigboywooly]

I have come to realise JCW is a very passionate man

And as such likes to speak his mind

Salute JCW
Nice to see you are still hard at work modding mate

[Kpt. Lehmann]

JCWolf,

Sometimes, it is tough to stay and deal with all of the crap that can happen.

However, I hope you will change your mind about leaving. This place needs honorable people like you... even if it means standing on an island surrounded by sharks.

I know there is a limit to patience in everyone my friend. I still hold hope though, that some good things will happen... and some rules will put in place to clarify boundaries. The story isn't over yet.

Even in the darkest of days you will at least have the pleasure of knowing who your friends are.

[Dowly]

JC! Dont you dare to leave! If you leave, I will get myself keelhauled! Now, you wouldnt want that.... right? :rotfl:

Dont let them bring you down, mate. You've done so much for SHIII and will do in the future. Like Kpt said, please think it over one more time before leaving.

[JCWolf]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

JCWolf,

Sometimes, it is tough to stay and deal with all of the crap that can happen.

However, I hope you will change your mind about leaving. This place needs honorable people like you... even if it means standing on an island surrounded by sharks.

I know there is a limit to patience in everyone my friend. I still hold hope though, that some good things will happen... and some rules will put in place to clarify boundaries. The story isn't over yet.

Even in the darkest of days you will at least have the pleasure of knowing who your friends are.

I think it can happend mate, rules or guide lines can be traced as long
as the people who really can make it happend are willing to apply them,
I really never tought I would be saying this about a group of people or a
community that gave me so much good times and helped me meeting
the Grey Wolves for example, but I really don't bellieve in this place the
way its rooling right now, I bellieve that This place could be preserved
as it is, and merging the recrutings of new users and the protection
of the old ones and the work posted here it can continue growing
without loosing the guide lines or rules that started with...

I bellieve in the SS Work group, and most of all in Neals fine work on
this Forum as he achieved the level others only wish and dream, but
I also bellieve that the road this community is taking right now is
not even close to what I think its Ethiclly correct...
How can we let a "Tomb Raider" style dude just come and go as
he pleases and along on this way in wau out kust allow him to
get the goodies he wants for is personal litlle file experiments,
and later release it as is own, and yet allow this fellow to come
here and insult one or more of the guys that helped this place to
grow as it is...

I have a good feeling that in time yea things will get to the track
and back to the road it was before, but during the "Anarchy"
periode some great Modders will desapear on that road, and some
others just get tierd and quit...

Is this what SS whants to have a ghost town...

I will always bellieve in this>

All For One And One For All

[Dowly]

Well I have to give you that the SubSim has been going downhill ever since the SHIV was released and the new people started to pour in. Dont get me wrong here, I do play SHIV. Heck, I've played it more than SHIII lately, so I'm not saying this b/c I'd hate SHIV or something like that. But when that much people join the forums as did when SHIV came out, there were enough of them for some to be rotten eggs. SubSim differs from other forums with it's closeness, everyone pulls the same rope most of the time. While things tend to get a bit heated at times, it's nothing like in the other forums I've been on. And maybe that's the problem, some of the new guys dont have the manners and respect what makes SubSim so great forum.

[Anvart]

Originally Posted by jcwolf

I think it can happend mate, rules or guide lines can be traced as long
as the people who really can make it happend are willing to apply them,
I really never tought I would be saying this about a group of people or a
community that gave me so much good times and helped me meeting
the Grey Wolves for example, but I really don't bellieve in this place the
way its rooling right now, I bellieve that This place could be preserved
as it is, and merging the recrutings of new users and the protection
of the old ones and the work posted here it can continue growing
without loosing the guide lines or rules that started with...

I bellieve in the SS Work group, and most of all in Neals fine work on
this Forum as he achieved the level others only wish and dream, but
I also bellieve that the road this community is taking right now is
not even close to what I think its Ethiclly correct...
How can we let a "Tomb Raider" style dude just come and go as
he pleases and along on this way in wau out kust allow him to
get the goodies he wants for is personal litlle file experiments,
and later release it as is own, and yet allow this fellow to come
here and insult one or more of the guys that helped this place to
grow as it is...

I have a good feeling that in time yea things will get to the track
and back to the road it was before, but during the "Anarchy"
periode some great Modders will desapear on that road, and some
others just get tierd and quit...

Is this what SS whants to have a ghost town...

I will always bellieve in this>

All For One And One For All

Yes, it is "exact in the eye" ...
What do we see?
We see One Mod forum ...
Such forum is not interesting for me, I do not like such forum ...
And I do not like such policy: "...the entire ship damage model system was redesigned from scratch by vonHelsching, Ref, and AG124 over the course ..." ...

P.S. Good mod, greater work and also read above ...

[Alex]

I'm really sad to know that you're thinking of leaving us now, mate, I truely hope you're going to reconsider your decision...

IMHO, I think that SS is right : most of us on here are just people who like the work done by the GWX team (that a large majority of us SH3 players respect for their awesome, fantastic, brilliant and hard work)... But personally, even if I think that KL is right, who am I to express my opinion, and to judge the situation better than you team members ?
I can't even imagine the amount of work you all team members putted into GWX, so what can I do/say ? :hmm:

Please tell me, cause I would be pleased to support you... Same for all GWX fans, I think.

[Hitman]

JCwolf,

I can understand well a part of your feelings. But I think it is a fair point to say that subsim forums are not intended be used as a plagiarism prosecutor. This is your home, same as many people's, but it is not a court. You will receive support and encouragement as well as recognizement from the community if your mods get stolen and/or copied, but pretending that the subsim staff gets officially involved in continuous prosecution of cheat-modders is not reasonable. And besides, a guy can have a nick here and behave properly while having another nick elsewhere and go around copying things and offering them in other communities. What would be the next step? Should then Neal Stevens ask personally the webmasters or moderators of those webs to shut the guy because he is copying a mod by a subsim member? What if they are then included by someone a la X1 in a commercial DVD? Does Neal then go and sue them in the real courts?

One thing must be very clear to you: The fact that subsim host these forums and appreciates your work and the work from many modders does not mean it shall get officially and permanently involved in prosecution or punishment of such actions, nor does it mean doing so is letting you down. The community has a gratitude debt with you and the GWX team, same as with many other modders. But Subsim.com is not in debt with you or the GWX team personally, instead it is quite the opposite. We all are in debt with subsim.com for hosting these forums and providing such a blossoming environment for us all, at a cost that exceeds hundreds of dollars a month and much more hundreds of hours of Neal's spare time.

Subsim.com has no obligation to enforce modder's ethic codes, and no one shall feel let down not to receive such support from subsim.com. Period.

Stay here, we all apreciate your work.

Well I have to give you that the SubSim has been going downhill ever since the SHIV was released and the new people started to pour in.

I heard those exact words long ago in the SH2 forum, when SH3 appeared. Though you wasn't yet there to say them

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I heard those exact words long ago in the SH2 forum, when SH3 appeared. Though you wasn't yet there to say them

Yeh, well it takes time for things to settle down to the normal routine as it was pre-SHIV. I'd say only 40-50% of the people who joined here when SHIV came, will stay active at SS, the rest will get bored with SHIV or find another game that suits them better and leave.

[Jimbuna]

What a bloody awful sad day for this community.

How have we ended up where we are now?

Could it be because all manners and respect here have been allowed to slide slowly to an intolerable level?

What has become of the unwritten ethics code around plagiarising others work and verbally abusing them in public?

It is fast becoming 'custom and practice' that someone can rape a mod and feel oblivious to any accountability for their actions.

How can it be that on two separate posts a GWX member can be threatened with a physical assault and there is no intervention by those empowered to do so?

So many have been gifted as a result of some excellent mods yet so many sit idly by and quietly witness what just a few people here seem determined to destroy.

I have always rated this forum...so much so that I'm proud to say I've made donations on several occasions.
What Neal has done for this community is immeasurable and long may it continue.

Sadly....(and I base my comments knowing full well they may be perceived as being subjective)....this is no longer the friendly forum it was.

As a SS forum member, UK law enforcement officer, moderator at the Grey Wolves Den and server admin on the GWX Crew TS server I feel qualified and justified in posting these questions/comments in the fervent wish that a solution equitable and acceptable to all can be found.

Wolves are pack animals normally....one looks like leaving....I'd hate to see the rest of the pack move to a warmer climate....never to return.

@JC
See you over at The Den kaleun

(this post was written in an entirely personal capacity)

[GT182]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

What a bloody awful sad day for this community.

How have we ended up where we are now?

Could it be because all manners and respect here have been allowed to slide slowly to an intolerable level?

What has become of the unwritten ethics code around plagiarising others work and verbally abusing them in public?

It is fast becoming 'custom and practice' that someone can rape a mod and feel oblivious to any accountability for their actions.

How can it be that on two separate posts a GWX member can be threatened with a physical assault and there is no intervention by those empowered to do so?

You've hit the proverbial nail on the head Jim. It's real life flowing over to the computer gaming world. They do it everyday on the streets and at home.... no respect anymore for others. They don't have to follow any laws but do what they want with impunity. They take what they want when they want it and figure no one will stop them or say anything. The last on being threatened is the 3rd time. A former member received death threats by phone. I was witness to that myself.

This past Friday I watched a hit and run in a parking lot. I DID get all the info..... plate # and name on the company vehicle, and the persons description. We even stayed to tell the person the that owned the damaged vehicle what happened. The idiot that did this denied every bit of it according to the State Police. I was asked what the person looked like and age.... I hit it as close as possible without a picture. Was asked if I'd come in an identify the person and said sure. I've heard nothing so far so I figure that person finally came clean and admitted their guilt. Now they're probably out of a job for something that stupid. That's what this world it coming too, and it's showing up on the internet and here.

[HunterICX]

when I joined this Board a year ago,

I was suprised about the athmosphere, calm and peacefull to be honest.

now because of some mods made SH3 very popular more people hopped in and with the release of SHIV Subsim.com became even bigger.

but it also changed the athmosphere to be honest, especialy since the last releases of Mods for SH3.

Competition between Modding teams is GOOD , as it can push both teams further in developing and discovering things they never seen before, and releases it in a supermod and give it away free to download. to be honest without these spended efforst SH3 wouldnt have grown this big as it is right now. Now I been here just for a Year, and I'm amazed what people have done to work on mayor projects that are mindblowing.

It came to me to notice that besides Modding teams releasing their projects , there is also politics involved. if it civil, I dont mind it is healthy , but when its just plain rude dumb comments, back stabbing and draging mods throught the MUD is just PLAIN RUDE. I dont actually understand the fact ''Why'' do they say such thing.
those comments can do enough that Modders throw their caps on the ground and say ''I've had it I leave'' and sometimes it can be a big loss.

something we all must remember its FREE, yes, the only thing in return is that you respect the hard work as it can be a YEAR of hard work, if you just drag it into the Mud by posting it on a message board because you dont like it and that its for example UNREALISTIC and dont tell WHY it is, sorry dude. if you just deleted it. nobody get hurt. as nobody forces you to download it. you are a free man(oops females too) you can whatever you like with mods and your SH3 game.

Subsim has grown big, the more the merrier I say as long it stays civil and fun.

just my thoughts

HunterICX

[ReM]

What has become of this place?

A couple of years ago when I 'discovered' Subsim this was a nice cozy place where you were welcomed and where people treated each other with respect.

Whenever there was a subject you wanted to discuss, helpfulness from other community members is the first word that pops up.

There were some rippels now and then, but these were exceptions

There was also a lot of modding going on....the modders were held in high esteem and generally people were very grateful of their work.

It felt like what I would call a 'community'; on several occasions I stated that being a part of the Subsim community was good; better than on any other forum.....I love being there.

These days seem long gone:

respect is no longer the norm here, escpecially at the SH IV forums were people are treated like criminals if they dare to ask something that was asked weeks before. Friendliness is almst non-existent.
Maybe it has to do with frustrations over the half-finished UBI 'game''.

Snaring and growling can be found at any page.

Even the modders that made good 'ol SHIII the game it should have been (GWX)are now being attacked and being made to feel like they need to defend themselves, even to a point that some feel the need to leave subsimming altogether.....

Some people that are jealous af the deserved credit they get now start flaming that all their work was stolen...

Maybe this place shouLd get back to the basics of a community, a civilised place where respect and helpfulness are the norm.....

It was like that before, but I fear those days are gone forever!

Salute JCWolf and thanks for all you contributions!