Jail PH for life

Letum · 05-09-07, 05:10 AM

A good deed for the day:
http://www.petitiononline.com/Hilton/petition.html

Polak · 05-09-07, 06:10 AM

If this petition goes through, it would be a giant leap for mankind.

HunterICX · 05-09-07, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Polak

If this petition goes through, it would be a giant leap for mankind.

Jailed for life, that would get her media antention for a couple of years

I would say a petition to ''put her down'' would be more in order

baggygreen · 05-09-07, 07:09 AM

as well as being more in order, isnt it kinder, to both her and all of us???

Skybird · 05-09-07, 05:52 PM

That boring blonde's 45 days in prison is okay and no concern. But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years. Also note that it seems to be a systematical method, and no exception from the rule.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=424

Sometimes you can just shake your head. I have no doubts that there are enough upright ultra-tough law-and-order-types who even defend such crimes commited by a judical system. I shake my head about them, too. This is medieval punishement.

Schwarzenegger was on German TV maybe two weeks ago, on the matter of overcrowded prisons in California. He saw no need to rethink the laws, he also saw no reason to think about differing between high and low grade crimes, and what causes crime, and the enormous impact on california'S finances the immense prison costs are causing. His simple solution was: build more prisons.

Hopeless.

05-09-07, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

That boring blonde's 45 days in prison is okay and no concern. But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years. Also note that it seems to be a systematical method, and no exception from the rule.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=424

Sometimes you can just shake your head. I have no doubts that there are enough upright ultra-tough law-and-order-types who even defend such crimes commited by a judical system. I shake my head about them, too. This is medieval punishement.

I'd agree if the woman wasn't on probation and not have violated it on two occasions. She was on probation, which is the slap on the wrist and keeps one out of jail. PH thinks that the Hilton money is more important than the law. People with less means are given probation every day and are able to comply with the court order. The fact that she was not able to comply with the order is enough to give her 45 days in jail. W/O probation the sentence was a year. She is getting out easy.

Platapus · 05-10-07, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years.

Well the law covers if a person commits three felonies they are put away for "life" as a hibitual criminal.

The crimes this person commited were burglery (a felony) and Purse snatching which can be, but not always a felony depending on the criminal circumstances. The last conviction was for shoplifting which, in California is considered Felony Petty Theft which is covered in Section 666 of the California Penal Code.

An argument can be made that applying section 666 as a justification for sentencing under Prop 36 and 66 and 184 is not valid.

However the argument can also be made that this individual repeatedly commited crimes and showed no sign of stopping. While this case may seem harsh, I feel that the intent behind habitual offender laws is valid.

When arguing whether these laws are a good or bad idea, we need to remember that in these cases, the offender was in control whether they commited additional crimes. At any time after the first conviction, these people can make the decision not to commit any more felonies and have nothing to fear by the habitual offender laws.

If you don't want to receive a life sentence, then don't commit three felonies. How is society supposed to trust that a person who has commited three felonies will of a sudden stop and become a viable citizen?

How do you explain to the family of the forth victim that "well we really did not expect this three time criminal to commit another crime. So sorry, our bad"

Three "mistakes" is a lot of leeway to give a citizen before taking serious action.

So, it may seem like this person got 25 years for shoplifting sheets, but in actuallity, they got 25 years for being a hibitual criminal. As in the fable about the straw that broke the camel's back, one can't just look at that last straw.

dean_acheson · 05-17-07, 12:21 PM

[quote=Skybird]That boring blonde's 45 days in prison is okay and no concern. But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years. Also note that it seems to be a systematical method, and no exception from the rule.

http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=424

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Three strikes you are out. Pretty simple stuff. If in our criminal justice system the rules were enforced, mandatory sentences would not be used by legislators, but when folks are cut loose and commit, and recommit criminal acts, then you end up with legislation like this. It ain't perfect, but neither is a revolving door to the jail for habitual offenders.

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Polak Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland/Sweden Posts: 808 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If this petition goes through, it would be a giant leap for mankind. __________________

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	That boring blonde's 45 days in prison is okay and no concern. But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years. Also note that it seems to be a systematical method, and no exception from the rule. http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=424 Sometimes you can just shake your head. I have no doubts that there are enough upright ultra-tough law-and-order-types who even defend such crimes commited by a judical system. I shake my head about them, too. This is medieval punishement. Schwarzenegger was on German TV maybe two weeks ago, on the matter of overcrowded prisons in California. He saw no need to rethink the laws, he also saw no reason to think about differing between high and low grade crimes, and what causes crime, and the enormous impact on california'S finances the immense prison costs are causing. His simple solution was: build more prisons. Hopeless. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-09-07 at 06:59 PM.

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baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	as well as being more in order, isnt it kinder, to both her and all of us???

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dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	[quote=Skybird]That boring blonde's 45 days in prison is okay and no concern. But remembering to have heard of a sentence in California just some days ago: 25 years for shoplifting, I found this article which tells a story of a law they have in California that on the third time you get caught for something, no matter how minor it is, you end up what in Germany would equal lifelong prison. Note that all three offences are minor, and are separated by many years. Also note that it seems to be a systematical method, and no exception from the rule. http://www.justicepolicy.org/article.php?id=424 quote] Three strikes you are out. Pretty simple stuff. If in our criminal justice system the rules were enforced, mandatory sentences would not be used by legislators, but when folks are cut loose and commit, and recommit criminal acts, then you end up with legislation like this. It ain't perfect, but neither is a revolving door to the jail for habitual offenders.