Why did they do it AGAIN?

Marcador · 05-07-07, 06:39 AM

I have been playing SH since...well, since the old days!

The following is just my personal opinion. It's my 2cents on a matter that I feel need addressing in public (and best in a forum where some dev might read it - just to see what they are doing for UBISOFT'S image (and its loyal customers):

I got SH when it first came out (no bugs I can remember)...
I bought SH2 (with only minor bugs)...
I stuck with SH3, (with all bugs included)...

Now i get 'bombed' with news about bugs in SH4...

AND THIS TIME, I'M NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE!!!

I am disappointed, very disappointed with UBISOFT!

When SH3 came out, we started working on the bugs, and finally got the sitauation under control with the great realism/immersion mods.

All the time we thought: 'It can only get better with SH4! They will not make the same mistake again!'

Now we reap the fruits of our labor: Maybe UBI thought, 'The fans are allright. They'll do the final qa-testing and look at SH3, they made it into a playable game as well!'

I feel it's a shame for a games-publisher to throw a beta at the market.
I feel it's even more of a shame that we buy it, and then have to collect all bugs, even before someone from UBI is MAYBE interested in correcting them.

Especially with the SH3-experience (how to get it to work properly) still in my bones, I would have never thought that the next SH (4) would be WORSE.

Next time UBI should consider either taking a working game to market, or they should keep it for good.

So far, they have lost me as a customer. I have no belief anymore in a company that obviously sells products which are not ready for the market.
When putting something up for sale, it'd better work properly.

I have deep respect for all you guys hunting down the bugs (who have BOUGHT the game), but it's not what I will pay for - Not again!

wireman · 05-07-07, 06:43 AM

Second.

longam · 05-07-07, 07:40 AM

Not uncommon as been said before. Microsoft released Flight Sim 10 as playable yet it has bugs that need fixed, and the frame rate is a big hit. They are in their 3 beta test for patch 1. This sim came out long before SH4.

05-07-07, 09:34 AM

you gripers disgust me. I updated my computer just for this game and has it been worth it, you bet it has. If you sample the mods that have been made and the two patches so far you cam make SH4 whatever you want. It plays great on my machine and I'm sure on other peoples as well. I wish you people would not exaggerate the negatives and start accentuating the positives. you really make me sick. Devildog

wireman · 05-07-07, 10:00 AM

Right back at ya fella.

TDK1044 · 05-07-07, 10:16 AM

Constantly posting here about how unhappy you are with Ubisoft really serves no purpose. This is not a Ubisoft website, and the Devs who come and read posts here are only looking at technical posts relating to the game.

Why doesn't one of you guys compose a letter to Ubisoft on behalf of all those who wish to complain about the state of the game at release? The letter can be posted and tweaked prior to being sent. Those who wish to be associated with it can let the writer know.

I'd Keep it to one page and keep it polite. Nobody will read an aggressive, inpolite letter. At least by doing something like this you'd be communicating with the right people, instead of creating yet another "I hate Ubisoft and I'm never purchasing one of their products again" thread.

Nobody on this Forum can answer for Ubisoft, so talk to them.

Silence · 05-07-07, 10:48 AM

These bugs spoken of are the reason forums like this are so effective. We can pool our resources and make something good even better.

SteamWake · 05-07-07, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

This is not a Ubisoft website, Nobody on this Forum can answer for Ubisoft, so talk to them.

QFT

Hey Ive noticed that since last night that has been a sudden upswing of new posters (less than 10 posts) expressing their discontent.

Whats up with that ?

VonBlade · 05-07-07, 12:15 PM

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Hey Ive noticed that since last night that has been a sudden upswing of new posters (less than 10 posts) expressing their discontent. Whats up with that ?

Maybe, just maybe, they are people who've only recently gone out to purchase a submarine simulation and are finding the problems with it a suitable cause for complaint.

Maybe not all of us have been here since the dawn of time playing SH1.

Maybe they've only just discovered this "unofficial" site.

Regardless of the reasons people have only recently started to post it certainly doesn't make their opinion any less valid.
VB

Avatar · 05-07-07, 12:18 PM

I dont like the bugs either, but after seeing what GWX did to sh3 we can only hope for the best for sh4. Even with frame rates, when GWX1.03 came out was a major improvement for sh3. Let's hope for the best when it comes to sh4.
I guess the solution is have a company come out with a game, then have the community fix it. Only problem is that the community doesnt get paid!
I have a mid-range computer and GWX1.03 works like a dream.

For those who dont like whining, you dont have to listen.

TDK1044 · 05-07-07, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VonBlade

Quote:

Hey Ive noticed that since last night that has been a sudden upswing of new posters (less than 10 posts) expressing their discontent. Whats up with that ?

Maybe, just maybe, they are people who've only recently gone out to purchase a submarine simulation and are finding the problems with it a suitable cause for complaint.

Maybe not all of us have been here since the dawn of time playing SH1.

Maybe they've only just discovered this "unofficial" site.

Regardless of the reasons people have only recently started to post it certainly doesn't make their opinion any less valid.
VB

And all newcomers are very welcome, VonBlade. There is a huge varirty of topics relating to SH4 to discuss here and also a very good modding community, but if a member's beef is with Ubisoft then he or she should take the issue to them. As I said in my original post, nobody on this site is authorized to speak for Ubisoft.

daft · 05-07-07, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

And all newcomers are very welcome, VonBlade. There is a huge varirty of topics relating to SH4 to discuss here and also a very good modding community, but if a member's beef is with Ubisoft then he or she should take the issue to them. As I said in my original post, nobody on this site is authorized to speak for Ubisoft.

I couldn't agree more. I fully understand the frustration some people feel when playing SH4, it does undoubtedly have bugs. However, I would suggest that they either choose to stick with the game, help out with the bug reporting or take up their complaints with Ubi directly as TDK suggests above. Because we honestly don't need more gripe threads at this point. I've always considered Subsim to be the best forum for discussion on tactics, tips or just plain sharing of experiences. Now it seems as if every other thread is started in order for posters to point fingers at Ubi.

I actually enjoy the game as it is. It's not perfect, but it is hugely entertaining and immersive. As I said, I understand where the complaints are coming from, but I think it is time you take it up with Ubi, your local CA or simply shelf the game and find something better to play.

Meridian · 05-07-07, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bwchaney

you gripers disgust me. I updated my computer just for this game and has it been worth it, you bet it has. If you sample the mods that have been made and the two patches so far you cam make SH4 whatever you want. It plays great on my machine and I'm sure on other peoples as well. I wish you people would not exaggerate the negatives and start accentuating the positives. you really make me sick. Devildog

Yep, and it's people like you who accept the below standard tripe they are fed that allows software houses to keep getting away with it.

If everyone on this forum kept there mouths shut and didn't point out all these faults do you honestly think you would have seen a 1.2 patch?

Hey, but if you're happy with the sim the way it is I guess you won't be installing a 1.3 patch if there is one....will ya.

rduffy34 · 05-07-07, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcador

I have been playing SH since...well, since the old days!

The following is just my personal opinion. It's my 2cents on a matter that I feel need addressing in public (and best in a forum where some dev might read it - just to see what they are doing for UBISOFT'S image (and its loyal customers):

I got SH when it first came out (no bugs I can remember)...
I bought SH2 (with only minor bugs)...
I stuck with SH3, (with all bugs included)...

Now i get 'bombed' with news about bugs in SH4...

AND THIS TIME, I'M NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE!!!

I am disappointed, very disappointed with UBISOFT!

When SH3 came out, we started working on the bugs, and finally got the sitauation under control with the great realism/immersion mods.

All the time we thought: 'It can only get better with SH4! They will not make the same mistake again!'

Now we reap the fruits of our labor: Maybe UBI thought, 'The fans are allright. They'll do the final qa-testing and look at SH3, they made it into a playable game as well!'

I feel it's a shame for a games-publisher to throw a beta at the market.
I feel it's even more of a shame that we buy it, and then have to collect all bugs, even before someone from UBI is MAYBE interested in correcting them.

Especially with the SH3-experience (how to get it to work properly) still in my bones, I would have never thought that the next SH (4) would be WORSE.

Next time UBI should consider either taking a working game to market, or they should keep it for good.

So far, they have lost me as a customer. I have no belief anymore in a company that obviously sells products which are not ready for the market.
When putting something up for sale, it'd better work properly.

I have deep respect for all you guys hunting down the bugs (who have BOUGHT the game), but it's not what I will pay for - Not again!

And your telling us that your not going to buy the game? Why? As far as I'm concerned I don't lose a wink of sleep at night thinking about trivial crap like bugs in my game or games, I know they will be fixed. If you dont want to buy the game then holy crap don't buy it. I'll be sleeping like a baby tonight right after another glorious patrol in SH4.

Have a Good'n

CaptainCox · 05-07-07, 02:18 PM

Its getting there, this poll is to bias, GOOD/BAD...not really the state of things. "Its getting there" plain and simply!

View Poll Results: Are you happy with the current state of SH4?
Yes, the game meets/excels my expectations!	48	28.57%
No, there's still too many bugs that need fixing!	120	71.43%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

05-07-07, 06:39 AM	#1
Marcador Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why did they do it AGAIN? I have been playing SH since...well, since the old days! The following is just my personal opinion. It's my 2cents on a matter that I feel need addressing in public (and best in a forum where some dev might read it - just to see what they are doing for UBISOFT'S image (and its loyal customers): I got SH when it first came out (no bugs I can remember)... I bought SH2 (with only minor bugs)... I stuck with SH3, (with all bugs included)... Now i get 'bombed' with news about bugs in SH4... AND THIS TIME, I'M NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE!!! I am disappointed, very disappointed with UBISOFT! When SH3 came out, we started working on the bugs, and finally got the sitauation under control with the great realism/immersion mods. All the time we thought: 'It can only get better with SH4! They will not make the same mistake again!' Now we reap the fruits of our labor: Maybe UBI thought, 'The fans are allright. They'll do the final qa-testing and look at SH3, they made it into a playable game as well!' I feel it's a shame for a games-publisher to throw a beta at the market. I feel it's even more of a shame that we buy it, and then have to collect all bugs, even before someone from UBI is MAYBE interested in correcting them. Especially with the SH3-experience (how to get it to work properly) still in my bones, I would have never thought that the next SH (4) would be WORSE. Next time UBI should consider either taking a working game to market, or they should keep it for good. So far, they have lost me as a customer. I have no belief anymore in a company that obviously sells products which are not ready for the market. When putting something up for sale, it'd better work properly. I have deep respect for all you guys hunting down the bugs (who have BOUGHT the game), but it's not what I will pay for - Not again!

05-07-07, 10:48 AM	#7
Silence Watch Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nebraska, U.S. Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	These bugs spoken of are the reason forums like this are so effective. We can pool our resources and make something good even better. __________________ "No matter where you travel, when you meet a guy who's been... There's an instant kind of friendship 'cause we're brothers of the 'phin." - Robert Reed, G.W. Carver (SSBN-656)

05-07-07, 02:18 PM	#15
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Its getting there, this poll is to bias, GOOD/BAD...not really the state of things. "Its getting there" plain and simply! __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

05-07-07, 06:43 AM	#2
wireman Sparky Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 155 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Second.

05-07-07, 07:40 AM	#3
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Not uncommon as been said before. Microsoft released Flight Sim 10 as playable yet it has bugs that need fixed, and the frame rate is a big hit. They are in their 3 beta test for patch 1. This sim came out long before SH4.

05-07-07, 09:34 AM	#4
bwchaney Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	you gripers disgust me. I updated my computer just for this game and has it been worth it, you bet it has. If you sample the mods that have been made and the two patches so far you cam make SH4 whatever you want. It plays great on my machine and I'm sure on other peoples as well. I wish you people would not exaggerate the negatives and start accentuating the positives. you really make me sick. Devildog

05-07-07, 10:00 AM	#5
wireman Sparky Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 155 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Right back at ya fella.

05-07-07, 10:16 AM	#6
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Constantly posting here about how unhappy you are with Ubisoft really serves no purpose. This is not a Ubisoft website, and the Devs who come and read posts here are only looking at technical posts relating to the game. Why doesn't one of you guys compose a letter to Ubisoft on behalf of all those who wish to complain about the state of the game at release? The letter can be posted and tweaked prior to being sent. Those who wish to be associated with it can let the writer know. I'd Keep it to one page and keep it polite. Nobody will read an aggressive, inpolite letter. At least by doing something like this you'd be communicating with the right people, instead of creating yet another "I hate Ubisoft and I'm never purchasing one of their products again" thread. Nobody on this Forum can answer for Ubisoft, so talk to them.

05-07-07, 12:18 PM	#10
Avatar Commodore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Way out there Posts: 603 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I dont like the bugs either, but after seeing what GWX did to sh3 we can only hope for the best for sh4. Even with frame rates, when GWX1.03 came out was a major improvement for sh3. Let's hope for the best when it comes to sh4. I guess the solution is have a company come out with a game, then have the community fix it. Only problem is that the community doesnt get paid! I have a mid-range computer and GWX1.03 works like a dream. For those who dont like whining, you dont have to listen.