Getting to grips with manual shooting

[ddiplock]

I've started practicing manual TDC.

I've been using the torpedo training mission for such purposes so i don't waste valuble torps during wartime.

I input everything as it should be after working it all out. Target range, speed, AOB, their current bearing in my scope optics....and I fire the torpedos. Problem is....the gyroangle setting is auto...which I can't seem to change, and its causing the torpedos to turn too wide, and go behind the target completly.

what can I do to fix this?

[Umfuld]

From one manual noob to another -

You can change gyro to manual in the TDC screen, there's a switch you click.


But, to say that you are putting the info in and then the gyro is making the shot turn too wide isn't right. The imput you are putting in is creating the gyro angle. So for that to be wrong your info must be off.

Right?

[Maraz]

Be sure you are in auto TDC mode (ie when the periscope rotates, also the gyro angle does so).

Try to shoot with low gyro angles (330 to 30 degrees) this makes your shooting much more precise (particularly in early war). This means you have to aim your submarine towards the target (though not precisely).

If still you have problems, there is something wrong in the parameters you put in (AOB, range, target speed). Get a mod that lets you see the TDC while in the periscope/UZO screen (eg poor sailor's "my favourite dials") and check that the wheels are at the values you are expecting.

Shoot at close range (1000m or less) because SH3 merchantships can accelerate and avoid your torpedoes!!

Good luck!
Maraz

[raduz]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

I've started practicing manual TDC.

I've been using the torpedo training mission for such purposes so i don't waste valuble torps during wartime.

I input everything as it should be after working it all out. Target range, speed, AOB, their current bearing in my scope optics....and I fire the torpedos. Problem is....the gyroangle setting is auto...which I can't seem to change, and its causing the torpedos to turn too wide, and go behind the target completly.

what can I do to fix this?

you cant change the gyroangle. it is set automatically and depends on the data you put in TDC (speed, AoB, range). if your torpedoes go behind, then maybe you underestimate the speed of the target or you just forget to press "Q" to open the tubes before shot. it can also happen if you aim at very rear part of the target. just try to aim at the center part of the ship.

[Kumando]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

I've started practicing manual TDC.

I've been using the torpedo training mission for such purposes so i don't waste valuble torps during wartime.

I input everything as it should be after working it all out. Target range, speed, AOB, their current bearing in my scope optics....and I fire the torpedos. Problem is....the gyroangle setting is auto...which I can't seem to change, and its causing the torpedos to turn too wide, and go behind the target completly.

what can I do to fix this?

Dont forget to click the tickbox to update the gyroangle, if you are not doing this you are not sending the updated data to the tdc.

[P_Funk]

The main reason you'll miss is because you have either miscalculated AoB or speed. Also if you don't open torpedo doors before you fire then the torpedoes will be delayed often long enough to miss astern. And there is a stock bug where the speed of steam torpedoes is set to slow when its at fast and you need to manually set torpedo speed everytime.

I suggest continuing practise with the torpedo mission until you don't miss very often.

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by Kumando

Dont forget to click the tickbox to update the gyroangle, if you are not doing this you are not sending the updated data to the tdc.

Forgive my ignorance, lol, but when in the TDC screen, where I fiddle with the knobs and dials to put the data in....is there actually a tickbox somewhere on the TDC screen to hold the info you enter? is this what your saying?

[Kumando]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

Forgive my ignorance, lol, but when in the TDC screen, where I fiddle with the knobs and dials to put the data in....is there actually a tickbox somewhere on the TDC screen to hold the info you enter? is this what your saying?

No, what i mean is the tickbox in the notepad in UZO/Periscope.

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by Kumando

No, what i mean is the tickbox in the notepad in UZO/Periscope.

So....even if you input the data manually into the TDC, you still need to click the tickbox via the notepad to "confirm" it all?

[Maraz]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

So....even if you input the data manually into the TDC, you still need to click the tickbox via the notepad to "confirm" it all?

No, you don't. You don't need using the notepad at all. If you have the TDC accessible from the Periscope/UZO station (as some mods allow), just hit CTRL-T. Otherwise, in the TDC station, there is a red button you must click to engage TDC.

Cheers
Maraz

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by Maraz

No, you don't. You don't need using the notepad at all. If you have the TDC accessible from the Periscope/UZO station (as some mods allow), just hit CTRL-T. Otherwise, in the TDC station, there is a red button you must click to engage TDC.

Cheers
Maraz

I'm not sure i follow the "red button" comment, the only button i can see that engages the TDC is the "manual input/auto input" button. but its not red. lol

[ronbrewer]

Hey ddiplock,
I bet you and Maraz are talking about the same button on the TDC. To be sure, though, click it a few times and see if an indicator light on the TDC near it keeps switching between green and red. If so then you got the right button.
Thanks, Ron.

[ddiplock]

When all info is put into the TDC with manual input...how is it updates then as the potential for AOB changes etc??

[ronbrewer]

The movement of the periscope is what keeps the AOB updated, provided what was originally entered into the TDC manually is accurate. For example, if the target has a true course of 90 degrees and you are heading 180 degrees, the target's AOB will be 90 degrees port when it crosses your bow (zero bearing on the periscope). If you enter those numbers into the TDC (periscope dial at zero, AOB at 90 degrees port) and then click the manual/auto TDC button to make the light go red, as you move the periscope the AOB setting will follow. The numbers below are examples as to how the periscope dial and AOB dial are locked together when auto TDC is enabled.

Bearing 0 - AOB 90
Bearing 350 - AOB 100
Bearing 340 - AOB 110

Thanks,
Ron

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by ronbrewer

The movement of the periscope is what keeps the AOB updated, provided what was originally entered into the TDC manually is accurate. For example, if the target has a true course of 90 degrees and you are heading 180 degrees, the target's AOB will be 90 degrees port when it crosses your bow (zero bearing on the periscope). If you enter those numbers into the TDC (periscope dial at zero, AOB at 90 degrees port) and then click the manual/auto TDC button to make the light go red, as you move the periscope the AOB setting will follow. The numbers below are examples as to how the periscope dial and AOB dial are locked together when auto TDC is enabled.

Bearing 0 - AOB 90
Bearing 350 - AOB 100
Bearing 340 - AOB 110

Thanks,
Ron

Would I be correct in saying then, based on what you've said, that after you've put your info in....you then switch the TDC to auto so it "takes" over the changes in calculations??