convot attacks in storms

Laffertytig · 05-01-07, 05:12 AM

ok ive made 3 seperate attacks on convoys in storms where visibility is below 1000 metres and each time i have the 1st ship thats became visible are dd's which are racing straight for me! i wouldve thought i might have got lucky at least once and seen a merchant but no the dd's are the ships i bump into.

is this just a coincidence or are these dd's able to see through storms?
im using gwx 1.03 and im in sep 1941

Jimbuna · 05-01-07, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

ok ive made 3 seperate attacks on convoys in storms where visibility is below 1000 metres and each time i have the 1st ship thats became visible are dd's which are racing straight for me! i wouldve thought i might have got lucky at least once and seen a merchant but no the dd's are the ships i bump into.

is this just a coincidence or are these dd's able to see through storms?
im using gwx 1.03 and im in sep 1941

The best chance of you being detected is always whilst your on the surface. I'd go to PD and use my hydrophones....you'll eventually get close enough (all things being equal/well) ie: silent approach and should be in a position to launch your eels.

Laffertytig · 05-01-07, 06:12 AM

yeah but that doesnt explain how these dd's are consistantly heading right for me in very poor visibility. if it had been once or twice i would've put it down to bad luck but 3 times is makin me think something is wrong.

ive read a few other posts and they all seem to begin with a dd closin on them. it seems dd's can see through fog

Vacillator · 05-01-07, 06:21 AM

Here's an earlier thread I started, might be of interest:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=foul+weather

I too have not had much luck in these situations!

Captain Nemo · 05-01-07, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

yeah but that doesnt explain how these dd's are consistantly heading right for me in very poor visibility. if it had been once or twice i would've put it down to bad luck but 3 times is makin me think something is wrong.

ive read a few other posts and they all seem to begin with a dd closin on them. it seems dd's can see through fog

Do DD's have radar at this point in the war? If so, this would explain them knowing where you are in poor visibility.

Nemo

Jimbuna · 05-01-07, 07:21 AM

The first surface warning radar (Type 271) was fitted to the corvette HMS Orchis in May 41, so it is quite possible that this is how you are being detected whilst on the surface

fastfed · 05-01-07, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

ok ive made 3 seperate attacks on convoys in storms where visibility is below 1000 metres and each time i have the 1st ship thats became visible are dd's which are racing straight for me! i wouldve thought i might have got lucky at least once and seen a merchant but no the dd's are the ships i bump into.

is this just a coincidence or are these dd's able to see through storms?
im using gwx 1.03 and im in sep 1941

Its the game.. In all reality many many U-boats attacked during night ON THE SURFACE!!!

In this game with HEAVY FOG and the middle of the night, they still spot you right away..

Its the game not how it was done.

Jimbuna · 05-01-07, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfed

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

ok ive made 3 seperate attacks on convoys in storms where visibility is below 1000 metres and each time i have the 1st ship thats became visible are dd's which are racing straight for me! i wouldve thought i might have got lucky at least once and seen a merchant but no the dd's are the ships i bump into.

is this just a coincidence or are these dd's able to see through storms?
im using gwx 1.03 and im in sep 1941

Its the game.. In all reality many many U-boats attacked during night ON THE SURFACE!!!

In this game with HEAVY FOG and the middle of the night, they still spot you right away..

Its the game not how it was done.

Attacking at night on the surface was actually the preferred method.....at least until the widespread fitting of radar

ReallyDedPoet · 05-01-07, 07:53 AM

Ran into a fellow wolf during a storm

, drinks were on me back in port

RDP

Laffertytig · 05-01-07, 09:09 AM

so are some or all dd's equiped with radar as early as 1941? i was under the impression that uboats were successfully conducting surface attacks right up until late 42 early 43.

maybe someone from gwx could shed some light on this.

Heibges · 05-01-07, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

so are some or all dd's equiped with radar as early as 1941? i was under the impression that uboats were successfully conducting surface attacks right up until late 42 early 43.

maybe someone from gwx could shed some light on this.

I play NYGM and you can do surface attacks in that in early 1943. It just depends on how many DD's have radar.

Umfuld · 05-01-07, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Laffertytig

yeah but that doesnt explain how these dd's are consistantly heading right for me in very poor visibility

You probably are already, but worth saying that you make sure your engines aren't over 100RPMs.

Just hitting Rig for Silent Running will not quiet your engines enough. Especially within 1500m or so from an escort.

I know that most attacks early in the war were surface but you'll never find me on the surface within 5000m of a DD.

I don't care the weather. I just would never do that.

Laffertytig · 05-01-07, 05:27 PM

[/quote]You probably are already, but worth saying that you make sure your engines aren't over 100RPMs.

Just hitting Rig for Silent Running will not quiet your engines enough. Especially within 1500m or so from an escort.quote]

this maybe would be the case (not in very rough seas though) submerged but a dd would hardly hear a uboats engine over its on while on the surface. read up on some uboat history and u will see this.

XXi · 05-01-07, 05:35 PM

I did several surface attacks in very poor weather conditions. Still, the best way is to enter the convoy submerged and then surface, when you know you`re in the middle, encircled by merchants, not DD`s. It is always risky as escorts can take you by surprise, you have little time for targetting and choosing targets, finishing the vessels off with a deck gun is not an option... And don`t forget the premature detonations, in storm they`re more a rule thank exception.
THe only good thing in very bad weather is it doesn`t help your enemies either - until they have no radar, they can loose contanct on the surface. And asdic gets interrrupted so that your chances of escaping are rising.

Anyway, for me best weather to attack is moderate to bad. Very bad is just too problematic, clean weather means the risk is much higher.

Umfuld · 05-01-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by XXi

the best way is to enter the convoy submerged and then surface

Interested in the reason behind this. What advantage is there for surfacing at that point?

05-01-07, 05:12 AM	#1
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	convot attacks in storms ok ive made 3 seperate attacks on convoys in storms where visibility is below 1000 metres and each time i have the 1st ship thats became visible are dd's which are racing straight for me! i wouldve thought i might have got lucky at least once and seen a merchant but no the dd's are the ships i bump into. is this just a coincidence or are these dd's able to see through storms? im using gwx 1.03 and im in sep 1941

05-01-07, 07:21 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The first surface warning radar (Type 271) was fitted to the corvette HMS Orchis in May 41, so it is quite possible that this is how you are being detected whilst on the surface __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-01-07, 07:53 AM	#9
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Ran into a fellow wolf during a storm, drinks were on me back in port RDP __________________ Back in the Day

05-01-07, 05:35 PM	#14
XXi Ensign Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Warsaw, Poland / Nagoya, Japan Posts: 227 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I did several surface attacks in very poor weather conditions. Still, the best way is to enter the convoy submerged and then surface, when you know you`re in the middle, encircled by merchants, not DD`s. It is always risky as escorts can take you by surprise, you have little time for targetting and choosing targets, finishing the vessels off with a deck gun is not an option... And don`t forget the premature detonations, in storm they`re more a rule thank exception. THe only good thing in very bad weather is it doesn`t help your enemies either - until they have no radar, they can loose contanct on the surface. And asdic gets interrrupted so that your chances of escaping are rising. Anyway, for me best weather to attack is moderate to bad. Very bad is just too problematic, clean weather means the risk is much higher. __________________ lasciate ogni speranza... voi, chi entrate

05-01-07, 06:12 AM	#3
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	yeah but that doesnt explain how these dd's are consistantly heading right for me in very poor visibility. if it had been once or twice i would've put it down to bad luck but 3 times is makin me think something is wrong. ive read a few other posts and they all seem to begin with a dd closin on them. it seems dd's can see through fog

05-01-07, 06:21 AM	#4
Vacillator Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 307 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's an earlier thread I started, might be of interest: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=foul+weather I too have not had much luck in these situations!

05-01-07, 09:09 AM	#10
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	so are some or all dd's equiped with radar as early as 1941? i was under the impression that uboats were successfully conducting surface attacks right up until late 42 early 43. maybe someone from gwx could shed some light on this.

05-01-07, 05:27 PM	#13
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	[/quote]You probably are already, but worth saying that you make sure your engines aren't over 100RPMs. Just hitting Rig for Silent Running will not quiet your engines enough. Especially within 1500m or so from an escort.quote] this maybe would be the case (not in very rough seas though) submerged but a dd would hardly hear a uboats engine over its on while on the surface. read up on some uboat history and u will see this.