Alternate Reality Campaign Mod

[GoldenRivet]

Sounded interesting to offer an alternate reality campaign mod which would follow this timeline...

1. The Type XXI becomes available in early 1943 as a response to allied air power.

2. Due to the increased threat of the Type XXI the UK is successfully blockaded

3. Operation Overlord is launched on shcedule in June 1944 but with substantially fewer invasion resources and the operation fails as a result.

4. Operation Sea Lion is Launched one month after Overlord... Because so many allied resources were lost during the Overlord Invasion in June The germans experience a swift victory in Great Britian during the 5 month long sea lion campaign ending operations against Great Britian in December 1944. Great Britian's civil population was evacuated to Canada en masse by huge merchant ship convoys between September and December 1944. Under political pressures - Spain aligns with Germany and Italy - Gebralter is now lost from allied hands. German control of the Med is assured the fate of military control in north africa is sealed in favor of Germany.

5. Many of the British Naval resources that were not scuttled are now captured and used by the Kriegsmarine. All British capital ships now have kriegsmarine flags flying from their masts and German Names on their hulls.

6. The ports of Londonderry, Stornoway, and Torshaven become available for U-boat operations in January 1945.

7. The month long invasion of Iceland occurs in March 1 1945 and the U-boat base of Reykjavik is made ready within weeks of it's capture.

8. In April of 1945 U-boats are deployed in force against the U.S. East coast and Gulf Coast. Using Secret airbases in Iceland and Greenland German Condor bombers attack U.S. East Coast Cities on a virtually daily basis.

Ill stop there as im not sure that the campaign can be extended into 1946.

Anyone interested in tackling something so ambitious as a campaign re-write? :rotfl:

have to admit its a cool idea.

[down and out]

IIRC there is a German victory mod somewhere

Try http://u-boot.realsimulation.com/

Not sure how it pans out as not used it

[Spytrx]

right (I remember a series of books that followed a similar storyline :hmm- where do you see the Russians in that alternative? But on a purely fictional and hyperthetical voyage that only leaves the US to fight - and that would be boring (let's face it the great break throughs in naval technology were mostly made by the Brits (I'm not one), so with them out of the game it would slow down Allied naval development drastically). And think about it, the Axis will control the Oceans - so what is the game about?

From a tecnological point of view I am all for it since I am looking into the research projects the Nazi's had going towards the end of the war (and boy did they have some beauts on the drawing board) and would love to see some of those boots float...

[GoldenRivet]

I Didnt focus much of my spiel on the russian campaign - it should have never happened. Hitler's resources could have just as easily been found in north africa at the time.

But here goes...

1. having knocked Great Britian out of the equation in December of 1944 much attention was then turned to the land war with he Russians. naval tactics played almost no role here. But the increased U-boat and surface unit patrols deep into the waters of the United States keeps the USA preoccupied with the increasing threat on the east coast. As naval bases and Luftwaffe bases inch steadily westward political pressure causes Roosevelt to shift attention to the Nazi threat to the east diverting forces away from the distant Japanese threat in the pacific.

2. Well into late 1945 The war between germany and russia rages on.

3. Under pressure from hitler and because of The USA's decreasing commitment to the PTO China falls completely to Japanese control in September of 1945 allowing the Japanese to open a second front with Russia making things difficult on the Soviets. As a result the Japanese have put their operations against Australia and their Advance eastward on hold.

4. The US continued it's A-bomb research testing the First Atomic Bomb slightly behind schedule in September of 1945 2 weeks leter the Germans test their own Atomic Bomb... on the troublesome city of Stalingrad... Russia surrenders 3 days later.

5. The Japanese Empire and Germany are unified as their Ground forces meet in central Russia.

6. In January 1946 New York City is evacuated by land and sea over the course of a week as Germany threatens to use It's Atomic Bombs against the city. German U-boats have effectively shut down the US East Coast and Gulf of Mexico. U-boats have a turkey shoot against the evacuating US Merchant Ships and ocean liners. Germany never uses the A-bomb against New York.

7. U-boats have a field day launching attacks at US Warships as they leave the Panama Canal zone bound forthe northeastern United States in March of 1946.

8. A couple of weeks later the largest Naval surface battle in History takes place off the coast of Newfoundland as The majority of The US Surface Fleet engages the Majority of the German surface fleet (including captured british warships) and the U-boat fleet. The engagement ends after 18 days of on again off again fighting and results in heavy losses for both sides. The war comes to a diplomatic end and a seemingly never ending cold war begins.

[AG124]

Are you going to make use of the Seydlitz and Graf Zeppelin models in your campaign?:hmm: You might have mentioned them, but if you did then I missed the reference.

[GoldenRivet]

Didnt think of the Graf Zepplin - she is in GWX but really just eye candy and was basically just eye candy in real life hehehe but yeah if the war raged on for another year or so i bet she would have become operational. good idea

[P_Funk]

in September of 1945 2 weeks leter the Germans test their own Atomic Bomb... on the troublesome city of Stalingrad... Russia surrenders 3 days later.

Don't want to rain on your parade but post war interrogation of German scientists found that the direction they were going with their nuclear program was a dead end.

But its a nice fantasy for an alternate war.

I would like to play it.

[GoldenRivet]

A lot of that assumption is based on what the Germans are able to find and gather intellignece wise after the defeat of russia that would help them complete their own atomic bomb.... or maybe even the hydrogen bomb. not that it would matter in SH3 as such weapons are not modeled anyhow.

[P_Funk]

That would be wicked.

"Orders: Observe the deployment of the Nazi atom bomb from 8 km off shore".

[GoldenRivet]

what would be even more wicked is to launch an atom bomb equipped buzz bomb from a Type IX sub modified to have a launch rail.

OK, Who's been talkin?



And incase anyone didn't know,
Germany was the first to fire missles from a Sub.
Both Submurged, and surfaced.
In fact, a unit to launch V2's was built
with more under construction at wars end.

[P_Funk]

That isn't news to me. I mean most of the early cold war technology was taken from German designs.

The righteousness of each side in the cold war was prosecuted by the products of Nazi Germany.

History is nothing but irony.

[GoldenRivet]

nice privateer are you working on a mod like that for SH3???

i had no idea, just knew it had been done before... i have even seen US ships post ww2 launch them

[down and out]

In July 1943, the idea was again resurrected after Germany had successfully developed the V-1 rocket. The Vergeltungswaffen 1 (Vengence Weapon 1) was an unmanned flying bomb, powered by a pulse-jet with a range of 148 miles (238km). It was designed to be launched from a land installation but the idea of using U-boats as a launch platform was proposed. The notion was to provide the weapon with mobility, where it could strike almost any city in the world. The V-1 however was a Luftwaffe weapon and the idea was again rejected.

http://www.uboataces.com/articles-rocket-uboat.shtml

[Spytrx]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I Didnt focus much of my spiel on the russian campaign - it should have never happened. Hitler's resources could have just as easily been found in north africa at the time.

It was inevitable - both, Hitler and Stalin, started to prepare for an invasion of the others country the day they signed the non-aggression pact... They were just too much alike to ignore one another, or even live together as neighbours...

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Don't want to rain on your parade but post war interrogation of German scientists found that the direction they were going with their nuclear program was a dead end.

Because they lost their source of heavy water - in this timeline they never loose it so it is possible. Unrealistic though is the close race - the Nazi's were months ahead of the US in both theoretical and practical R&D (the Germans had worked out the mechanical side and delivery method already). And with the war in Europe being over the German treason of some notable scientists that gave the Ami's their break would not occur either, so maybe it is the US that comes to a dead end...


Later submarines (Type 26 or higher, can't remember exactly) were planned as launch bases for attacks on the US coast (I wish I could remember which site I found it on, it had plans for the boots and specs, etc)...