That it! I hade it

I bout the game and i start to understand that it not worth the money i payed for it. You ask why? Here is the answer.
1. Cannot understand the crew managment - maybe i`am just to stupid but in sh3 it was much easyer to understand
2. Torpido does not fire for time to time for some reason
3. The crewmates look like they smoking weed non stop - something like that
4. Very anoying manual targeting system
5. Radar - how the hell i can turn the damn thing on.

My final opinion - wait for a proper patch or for a good modders or throw the damn disck into the toilet were it belongs.

[John Channing]

Or you could politely ask for help because everything you listed is either something you don't understand or are doing incorrectly.

Nothing you mentioned is a problem with the game.

JCC

[The General]

Hold the phone there John. I can sympathize with our friend here. Up until Patch 1.2, Sh4 was a total let down. Granted, the last patch really made it what it should've been in the first place, but there are still one or two problems. On my radar screen I've got nothin' too. Just a blank screen. No range-markings and no planes or ships. Hell, I can't even get The Late Show!

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by The General

Hold the phone there John. I can sympathize with our friend here. Up until Patch 1.2, Sh4 was a total let down. Granted, the last patch really made it what it should've been in the first place, but there are still one or two problems. On my radar screen I've got nothin' too. Just a blank screen. No range-markings and no planes or ships. Hell, I can't even get The Late Show!

I guess I was taking his last statement in the context of the rest of the "flaws" he found in the game. To wit...

- If you think that the fact you can't understand how the crew management system works is a flaw in the game

- If you can't get torpedos to fire when there has been absolutely no reports of this from day one

- If you think the way the crew looks is a game flaw

- If you think the most accurate representation of an American TDC ever in a simulation is a game flaw because you find it annoying

Then I am going to have to think that your radar problem might just be something else.

But at least we have another thread for people to jump in and air their grievances, real or imagined. And you just can't have enough of those!

JCC

[joea]

I think he might have meant torpedoes don't explode, well maybe they were dud torpedoes?

I hope the OP answers and clarifies a bit.

[SteamWake]

As was pointed out all issues stated are lack of understanding not game issues.

Its like as if I said "I hate my toilet because it wont flush twice in a row". Oh I have to wait for the tank to fill again :hmm:

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by John Channing

I guess I was taking his last statement in the context of the rest of the "flaws" he found in the game. To wit...

- If you think that the fact you can't understand how the crew management system works is a flaw in the game

- If you can't get torpedos to fire when there has been absolutely no reports of this from day one

- If you think the way the crew looks is a game flaw

- If you think the most accurate representation of an American TDC ever in a simulation is a game flaw because you find it annoying

Then I am going to have to think that your radar problem might just be something else.

But at least we have another thread for people to jump in and air their grievances, real or imagined. And you just can't have enough of those!

JCC

JCC, with all due respect....

1. There are reports from people saying they cannot get torps to launch but that it's random. (my only suggestion is either a bug or a problem with the efficiency of the compartment at the time)

2. There do appear to be issues with radar. People are reporting their SJ doesn't work in certain directions. Others are posting that they seem to be getting updates - and coloured red or blue - on their map screen within about 20nm even though they have only SD and map contacts "off". (I have experienced this first hand)

3. There are also reports of people not being able to use "P" and "C" keyboard commands as they have the effect of setting the telegraph to "all stop" and the boat doesn't dive.

So it's not as though these comments are without justification. Sure, we've all read the many 'complaint' threads, and I'm "guilty" of posting one myself, but perhaps a little sympathy is called for when some of these comments are in fact correct.....

Just a thought. Not looking for an express pass to the brig!

Cheers

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

JCC, with all due respect....

1. There are reports from people saying they cannot get torps to launch but that it's random. (my only suggestion is either a bug or a problem with the efficiency of the compartment at the time)

2. There do appear to be issues with radar. People are reporting their SJ doesn't work in certain directions. Others are posting that they seem to be getting updates - and coloured red or blue - on their map screen within about 20nm even though they have only SD and map contacts "off". (I have experienced this first hand)

3. There are also reports of people not being able to use "P" and "C" keyboard commands as they have the effect of setting the telegraph to "all stop" and the boat doesn't dive.

So it's not as though these comments are without justification. Sure, we've all read the many 'complaint' threads, and I'm "guilty" of posting one myself, but perhaps a little sympathy is called for when some of these comments are in fact correct.....

Just a thought. Not looking for an express pass to the brig!

Cheers

Why on earth would you think that anyone, let alone a softie like me , would send you to the brig for a mature, reasoned, adult response?

The problem is that we are now at the point of this games life cycle when sorting out bugs in the program will be almost impossible. People have so many mods installed that some of them don't even remember that they do.

I have seen three threads today where the old "NEW BUG FOUND" thing raised it's head, the OP swore over and over that they did not have ANY mods installed, someone comes up with a fix that involves removing a particular mod, and shut my mouth wiiiiiiide open.... it turns out the OP did have a mod or two (or 20) installed!

Believe me I have spent a greaaaaaaaat deal of time working on this program compliling bug reports, sifting through all of the less than useful posts looking for the few that actually have value if you are trying to get this thing sorted out and, up until recently, key commands were never a problem. But now we have a mod that changes the key commands, ported over from SH3 I believe, and all of a sudden... wait for it... key command problems. This could also account for the torp problem.

That is one of the reasons that I refuse to install any mods on my system. It is the only way to be absolutely sure you are dealing with a program fault, and not a conflict caused by a mod.

The thing that drives me up a wall is when people just pop in, complain about how buggy it is, don't give any details, no list of mods installed no nuthin' helpful, and then just pop out. Within a few minutes all of the "YEAH!!!1111 THIS GAME IS TEH SUXOR" crowd shows up, and it becomes almost impossible to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

These types are not being helpful or useful.... hell, they aren't even original. All they are is noise.


JCC

[Snuffy]

Actually with some of the flaws I've heard mentioned, (not necessarily in this thread), I find the sim more enjoyable doing the TDC on full manual.

None of this point and shoot shiite for me.

I don't pay any attention to the crew, I'm too damned busy manning my boat.

And rumor has it that if you've got a boat equipped with the radar and sonar ... it actually works.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Snuffy

Actually with some of the flaws I've heard mentioned, (not necessarily in this thread), I find the sim more enjoyable doing the TDC on full manual.

None of this point and shoot shiite for me.

I don't pay any attention to the crew, I'm too damned busy manning my boat.

And rumor has it that if you've got a boat equipped with the radar and sonar ... it actually works.

Yeah, crew...do what you want.... just blow the whistle when you change the watch so I know someone different will be standing next to me...other than that...don't bother me.

Radar, seems ok to me.

TDC, works good for me....lots of practice and it sounds like this might be the case here to handle the ills with it.

Take two six packs, get some rest and try again in the morning

I remember I saw a funny comic on Penny Arcade. Gabe paid for a game, and Tycho walks in and asks him hows it going with the new game he had waited so long for.

Gabe says something like "Yeah I installed the game". Tycho then asks "Ok, so why are you starting at a blank screen?" Gabe says "Game cant be started till the first patch is released."

I can only imagine how many people are out there, wanting to play SH4, but quietly waiting till the game gets patched into playability.

Not a good business model, so lets hope ubi learns it lesson from all this.

[bunkerratt]

The crewmates look like they smoking weed non stop - something like that.......


always with the negative waves man...

[Tobus]

Originally Posted by Grunt

I remember I saw a funny comic on Penny Arcade. Gabe paid for a game, and Tycho walks in and asks him hows it going with the new game he had waited so long for.

Gabe says something like "Yeah I installed the game". Tycho then asks "Ok, so why are you starting at a blank screen?" Gabe says "Game cant be started till the first patch is released."

I can only imagine how many people are out there, wanting to play SH4, but quietly waiting till the game gets patched into playability.

Not a good business model, so lets hope ubi learns it lesson from all this.

HearHear!

I'm getting more aggravated by the minute. I really really really want to like this game, and it looks great too! But (re)playability is low, manual is a sodding shame (mentions of snorkel depth and making solutions by W/O, none of which are in SH4 but were in SH3!).

This game is just not finished, I feel I paid for a beta-release so UBI doesn't have to pay for proper testers. And it could be soooooo good, because what DOES work in this beta is fantastic to say the least.

[KING111]

Will here’s my 2p worth
When I got the game from Amazon I thought great now I can sink some japs.
But it did not take me long to find the bugs.
So then came patch 1.1 and for me the game was still unplayable.
Then game patch 1.2 and it got better now I can play it just about?
But then looking around on here I found GWX and thought what that?
So I downloaded it installed it with the tools and dials.
Now you can stuff SH4 for the next 6 months I am playing SH3 with GWX

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by KING111

Now you can stuff SH4 for the next 6 months I am playing SH3 with GWX

That's your choice. Although SH3 with GWX is on my computer and I will continue to play it, I am playing SH4 more, so I won't be stuffing it anytime soon.

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