No matter what I do, I can't get any fps improvement

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 03:06 PM

I can't get any fps improvement when turning down/off any or indeed all the options listed in the options menu

now don't tell me......that this requires a restart each time?

I am finding that the further out to sea I go the better the fps........but when it comes to the options nothing affects it at all........which beggars the question "why are they there at all?"........ok for some people it might work but for me none of it makes a blind bit of difference

Now am I missing something here?

I've tried as I've said many times before 10 or more different driver sets and they did'nt help either!

if I don't laugh I'll cry

Please someone tell me what the hell I am to do to get better fps? I get 190 on the menu screen........40+ in the Command Room and at present 23 or so on the bridge.

I know my PC is not a top high end mother of all PC's but come on its not that bad either......and please don't suggest an upgrade as:

1 I cannot afford it yet.....another year and a half to go

2 The current system is at the end of the line......ok I could go to an AMD Athlon 3200 (currently have a 3000+XP) but my motherboard can upgrade no further than it is now.........I am no expert and my PC was built to spec by a local chap and a guy who knows his stuff........I don't want to get into a debate about this as its a no no as far as upgrading or a new PC.

The main thing I want to do is get a better fps as do many of you no doubt........but if the options in game do nothing except appear on screen for you to change and yet do nothing to improve matters......then I am at a loss as to what to do.

For now I am out of ideas or things to say........I guess I will have to just "live with it", "like it or lump it"............ say what you will.

Footnote: I thought that this was going to be fixed (I'm sure I read several people saying this, and that is that when I load a game after having plotted my course, the guy says "All stop" I mean for crying out loud, this is starting to take the.......

only way to continue is to go into the nav map and then click the button for continue course or whatever..........I am getting so dis-illusioned

Cakewalk · 04-18-07, 03:11 PM

Your FPS ranges are about the same as mine (~25 outside, ~40 inside), and I've found that switching off all options on the graphics chart helps very little.

With the 1.2 patch, the only restart needed to change graphics is when you switch resolutions.

I would have thought my GeForce 7900 GS would perform better, but apparently not. Hm... makes me jealous of those 8800 owners...:hmm:

But I doubt the majority of people who play SH4 here have uber-PCs. Most have similar performance ranges to you and I, I would think.

SteamWake · 04-18-07, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemind

Please someone tell me what the hell I am to do to get better fps? I get 190 on the menu screen........40+ in the Command Room and at present 23 or so on the bridge.

That doesent seem so bad.

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 03:23 PM

Oh well thats a nice consolation for me to know that I am not alone, I just wish that things would slow down a bit......I mean technology......I know that comment won't go down well but it makes me mad that its rush rush rush ahead and we all have to keep spending money like it grows on trees!

I don't mean to whine, but I am just one of those people that can't take the fast pace of life in general and this makes things alot worse. yes I know I could have gone down the console lane, but I was done with that with the PS2.......I wanted to get into gaming that required brains......but I guess I made the wrong choice again

......then again why the hell can't I have a PC......its my life afterall.......I can here the comments already "Shut up then" ok I will but first........

These days life caters for millionaires and people that are well off, but the ones that are'nt its a case of "If you can't keep up then sod you"

Sorry for the small rant, you would'nt want to know me as this is not a rant really at all....more a case of a quiet opinion......with a hint of annoyance

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 03:24 PM

No that is not too bad, but try coming out of the harbour, I can barely move

Cakewalk · 04-18-07, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemind

Oh well thats a nice consolation for me to know that I am not alone, I just wish that things would slow down a bit......I mean technology......I know that comment won't go down well but it makes me mad that its rush rush rush ahead and we all have to keep spending money like it grows on trees!

I don't mean to whine, but I am just one of those people that can't take the fast pace of life in general and this makes things alot worse. yes I know I could have gone down the console lane, but I was done with that with the PS2.......I wanted to get into gaming that required brains......but I guess I made the wrong choice again

......then again why the hell can't I have a PC......its my life afterall.......I can here the comments already "Shut up then" ok I will but first........

These days life caters for millionaires and people that are well off, but the ones that are'nt its a case of "If you can't keep up then sod you"

Sorry for the small rant, you would'nt want to know me as this is not a rant really at all....more a case of a quiet opinion......with a hint of annoyance

Naw, I agree, it seems like unless you're willing to spend 1600+ dollars on a computer, your games won't run well unless you sacrifice a few graphics, and even then its not the same. Compared to 600 or so dollars for a console nowadays.

Of course, computers can do more than consoles, but its hard to keep up with PC gaming if you're on a tight budget.

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Originally Posted by uniquemind

No that is not too bad, but try coming out of the harbour, I can barely move

Same deal here, I usually just go to the map screen and chug out until the harbour "unloads" from memory, then I can go at a decent FPS rate.

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-07, 03:31 PM

I told myself this is the last computer for gaming I'm going to mess with. I will keep it and upgrade to the fullest it can handle. I'm not starting with Vista until absolutely neccessary. Once I have to do that, the gaming on computer is over for me. It is that simple. I'm tired of paying large amount of dollars only to have the new item outdated in a week. There is no need for Vista. It has no value over XP that I can see. The US Federal Gov't is buying into Vista either...no economic gain in doing so. DirectX 10....seems a little contrived to me and the need to keep dollars in the pockets of the computer making world. Furthermore, most genre have been covered with previous games. Nothing really new happening.

Then again, if the game looks really good I could be persuaded to get a new computer for it

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 03:39 PM

Yeah and my budget is virtually nothing.......I'm in the UK and the price i'd have to pay for a new PC and this is with all the whistles and bells........if bought now would be close to £1000 maybe more, and that is simply asking way too much for me anyway......half that would be too much for me

Infact £100 would be pushing it and these days in Computer hardware you could'nt buy anything new for that I doubt, ok second hand maybe but who wants that? only for it to pack up in a couple of months and then back to square one

The guy that built mine is a great guy and knows my situation well and understands that I can't go mental with spending.......and recommends I wait until end of next summer and then things will be about right for me, but only if I start saving like now......for me easier said than done!

My gaming appetite is huge and he's barred me in a friendly way from buying anymore games from his store.......does that stop me? no not when there are other stores all around.......so so hard but I'll have to learn to save and thats the boring part

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I told myself this is the last computer for gaming I'm going to mess with. I will keep it and upgrade to the fullest it can handle. I'm not starting with Vista until absolutely neccessary. Once I have to do that, the gaming on computer is over for me. It is that simple. I'm tired of paying large amount of dollars only to have the new item outdated in a week. There is no need for Vista. It has no value over XP that I can see. The US Federal Gov't is buying into Vista either...no economic gain in doing so. DirectX 10....seems a little contrived to me and the need to keep dollars in the pockets of the computer making world. Furthermore, most genre have been covered with previous games. Nothing really new happening.

Then again, if the game looks really good I could be persuaded to get a new computer for it

Yes this Vista thing is worrying me for later.........as when eventually I upgrade I was told that I'll have to go with Vista......not sure I want that, like be forced into it? I mean won't XP work with DX10? I don't know much about this but it is a concern.......as at present alot of games I have I have been to the forums and there are countless posts about Vista not performing with their games etc and many other niggles with it........ok so alot of bugs will get ironed out but dear o dear not sure I like this

I remember buying my ATI X800 Pro getting the PC brought back to me that night and going online for the latest drivers and what was I greeted with? yes an advert for ATI's new 512MB card

......coming out the very next day

AVGWarhawk · 04-18-07, 03:56 PM

Vista is currently bug ridden. I heard a voice command completely erased the hard drive on one machine. We will have Vista forced down our necks. That part is easy....MS stops supporting XP. I did hear that XP will be supported to something like 2012. Like I stated, the Federal Dept of Transportation is not buying into Vista. They see no economic value in doing so. Just the way it is mate. 98 was supported for a long time. XP will be also.

uniquemind · 04-18-07, 04:02 PM

So when XP is not supported anymore can it still be used and function ok......or is that then definately the end of the road for XP.......I find it the best to get along with, never got the hang of 98 infact I hated it but we all have things that we either get on with or we don't

I know at least for now that the chap who built my PC won't force Vista on me, and he will only sell it to me when he feels its safe enough, thank god for him, not sure what I would do otherwise

scalelokt · 04-18-07, 04:48 PM

Yeah computer gaming is not a cheap hobby. My video card alone cost as much as an XBox 360 and its already showing its age, and I sure dont have the money to upgrade it right now. Truth be told, PC gaming is a big pain in the butt, and I wish I were satisfied with just a console. The problem is sims like Silent Hunter are not, and probably never will be, on a console system. And if they are they are almost always dumbed down sims that have a much more arcade feel. I'll probably get a 360 sometime soon, I'm impressed with it and the games I have played are really fun. But I'll always be trying to upgrade my PC whenever I can, games like SH3 and SH4 make it all worth it.

In response to the original post in this thread. It doesnt sound to me like your FPS is that bad, probably about the same as mine. SH4 is a graphically beautiful game, as much as any game out there as far as I'm concerned. I dont think its surprising you arent getting huge FPS values, so long as it is smooth and playable it sounds fine to me. You said you get 20+ FPS when outside the sub, that seems perfectly playable to me. I guess if you have a top of the line Alienware that cost you 5 grand it would be disappointing, but I'm assuming you computer is probably similar to mine, so I dont think you are doing anything wrong.

SgtWalt65 · 04-18-07, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cakewalk

Your FPS ranges are about the same as mine (~25 outside, ~40 inside), and I've found that switching off all options on the graphics chart helps very little.

With the 1.2 patch, the only restart needed to change graphics is when you switch resolutions.

I would have thought my GeForce 7900 GS would perform better, but apparently not. Hm... makes me jealous of those 8800 owners...:hmm:

But I doubt the majority of people who play SH4 here have uber-PCs. Most have similar performance ranges to you and I, I would think.

I am running a 7800GS card with an old Athalon 2800 and I am not having any issues with fps at all. Guess I am lucky....Oh and just about max video settings with 8x AA.

akdavis · 04-18-07, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cakewalk

With the 1.2 patch, the only restart needed to change graphics is when you switch resolutions.

Also "Synchronization" which is now a menu option. Maybe high quality textures, as well.

All the features in the "FX" column (i.e. post-process, glare, light shafts, etc.) cause a noticable change in FPS that can even be seen while selecting and unselecting them in menu if you have the framerate display on. Nothing else I change seems to have any effect, but with synchronization on, my FPS are capped at 28, so nothing is going to make them go higher.

MikeJW · 04-18-07, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I told myself this is the last computer for gaming I'm going to mess with. I will keep it and upgrade to the fullest it can handle.
Then again, if the game looks really good I could be persuaded to get a new computer for it

Same here. It just takes too much to keep up and the rewards for doing so are getting slimmer and slimmer. Just not as many wow! PC exclusives anymore. So, unless I get a lot richer my new PC will be my last gaming PC. It's fairly high end, except the vid card is a 7900 because I'm waiting to get an 8800 and I'm still not getting performance I think I should. Requirements are getting ridicolous.

04-18-07, 03:06 PM	#1
uniquemind Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No matter what I do, I can't get any fps improvement I can't get any fps improvement when turning down/off any or indeed all the options listed in the options menu now don't tell me......that this requires a restart each time? I am finding that the further out to sea I go the better the fps........but when it comes to the options nothing affects it at all........which beggars the question "why are they there at all?"........ok for some people it might work but for me none of it makes a blind bit of difference Now am I missing something here? I've tried as I've said many times before 10 or more different driver sets and they did'nt help either! if I don't laugh I'll cry Please someone tell me what the hell I am to do to get better fps? I get 190 on the menu screen........40+ in the Command Room and at present 23 or so on the bridge. I know my PC is not a top high end mother of all PC's but come on its not that bad either......and please don't suggest an upgrade as: 1 I cannot afford it yet.....another year and a half to go 2 The current system is at the end of the line......ok I could go to an AMD Athlon 3200 (currently have a 3000+XP) but my motherboard can upgrade no further than it is now.........I am no expert and my PC was built to spec by a local chap and a guy who knows his stuff........I don't want to get into a debate about this as its a no no as far as upgrading or a new PC. The main thing I want to do is get a better fps as do many of you no doubt........but if the options in game do nothing except appear on screen for you to change and yet do nothing to improve matters......then I am at a loss as to what to do. For now I am out of ideas or things to say........I guess I will have to just "live with it", "like it or lump it"............ say what you will. Footnote: I thought that this was going to be fixed (I'm sure I read several people saying this, and that is that when I load a game after having plotted my course, the guy says "All stop" I mean for crying out loud, this is starting to take the....... only way to continue is to go into the nav map and then click the button for continue course or whatever..........I am getting so dis-illusioned

04-18-07, 03:11 PM	#2
Cakewalk Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 212 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Your FPS ranges are about the same as mine (~25 outside, ~40 inside), and I've found that switching off all options on the graphics chart helps very little. With the 1.2 patch, the only restart needed to change graphics is when you switch resolutions. I would have thought my GeForce 7900 GS would perform better, but apparently not. Hm... makes me jealous of those 8800 owners...:hmm: But I doubt the majority of people who play SH4 here have uber-PCs. Most have similar performance ranges to you and I, I would think. __________________ Its not a bug... its a feature!

04-18-07, 03:31 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I told myself this is the last computer for gaming I'm going to mess with. I will keep it and upgrade to the fullest it can handle. I'm not starting with Vista until absolutely neccessary. Once I have to do that, the gaming on computer is over for me. It is that simple. I'm tired of paying large amount of dollars only to have the new item outdated in a week. There is no need for Vista. It has no value over XP that I can see. The US Federal Gov't is buying into Vista either...no economic gain in doing so. DirectX 10....seems a little contrived to me and the need to keep dollars in the pockets of the computer making world. Furthermore, most genre have been covered with previous games. Nothing really new happening. Then again, if the game looks really good I could be persuaded to get a new computer for it __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-18-07, 03:56 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Vista is currently bug ridden. I heard a voice command completely erased the hard drive on one machine. We will have Vista forced down our necks. That part is easy....MS stops supporting XP. I did hear that XP will be supported to something like 2012. Like I stated, the Federal Dept of Transportation is not buying into Vista. They see no economic value in doing so. Just the way it is mate. 98 was supported for a long time. XP will be also. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-18-07, 03:23 PM	#4
uniquemind Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Oh well thats a nice consolation for me to know that I am not alone, I just wish that things would slow down a bit......I mean technology......I know that comment won't go down well but it makes me mad that its rush rush rush ahead and we all have to keep spending money like it grows on trees! I don't mean to whine, but I am just one of those people that can't take the fast pace of life in general and this makes things alot worse. yes I know I could have gone down the console lane, but I was done with that with the PS2.......I wanted to get into gaming that required brains......but I guess I made the wrong choice again ......then again why the hell can't I have a PC......its my life afterall.......I can here the comments already "Shut up then" ok I will but first........ These days life caters for millionaires and people that are well off, but the ones that are'nt its a case of "If you can't keep up then sod you" Sorry for the small rant, you would'nt want to know me as this is not a rant really at all....more a case of a quiet opinion......with a hint of annoyance

04-18-07, 03:24 PM	#5
uniquemind Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No that is not too bad, but try coming out of the harbour, I can barely move

04-18-07, 03:39 PM	#8
uniquemind Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah and my budget is virtually nothing.......I'm in the UK and the price i'd have to pay for a new PC and this is with all the whistles and bells........if bought now would be close to £1000 maybe more, and that is simply asking way too much for me anyway......half that would be too much for me Infact £100 would be pushing it and these days in Computer hardware you could'nt buy anything new for that I doubt, ok second hand maybe but who wants that? only for it to pack up in a couple of months and then back to square one The guy that built mine is a great guy and knows my situation well and understands that I can't go mental with spending.......and recommends I wait until end of next summer and then things will be about right for me, but only if I start saving like now......for me easier said than done! My gaming appetite is huge and he's barred me in a friendly way from buying anymore games from his store.......does that stop me? no not when there are other stores all around.......so so hard but I'll have to learn to save and thats the boring part

04-18-07, 04:02 PM	#11
uniquemind Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So when XP is not supported anymore can it still be used and function ok......or is that then definately the end of the road for XP.......I find it the best to get along with, never got the hang of 98 infact I hated it but we all have things that we either get on with or we don't I know at least for now that the chap who built my PC won't force Vista on me, and he will only sell it to me when he feels its safe enough, thank god for him, not sure what I would do otherwise

04-18-07, 04:48 PM	#12
scalelokt Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 400 meters to your right, calculating your speed Posts: 126 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Yeah computer gaming is not a cheap hobby. My video card alone cost as much as an XBox 360 and its already showing its age, and I sure dont have the money to upgrade it right now. Truth be told, PC gaming is a big pain in the butt, and I wish I were satisfied with just a console. The problem is sims like Silent Hunter are not, and probably never will be, on a console system. And if they are they are almost always dumbed down sims that have a much more arcade feel. I'll probably get a 360 sometime soon, I'm impressed with it and the games I have played are really fun. But I'll always be trying to upgrade my PC whenever I can, games like SH3 and SH4 make it all worth it. In response to the original post in this thread. It doesnt sound to me like your FPS is that bad, probably about the same as mine. SH4 is a graphically beautiful game, as much as any game out there as far as I'm concerned. I dont think its surprising you arent getting huge FPS values, so long as it is smooth and playable it sounds fine to me. You said you get 20+ FPS when outside the sub, that seems perfectly playable to me. I guess if you have a top of the line Alienware that cost you 5 grand it would be disappointing, but I'm assuming you computer is probably similar to mine, so I dont think you are doing anything wrong.