Did Skippers Seriously get Court martialed for losing their ship?

Packerton · 04-15-07, 03:37 PM

Thats a little harsh...I mean I Sunk like 70000 tons that patrol and got bombed by planes on the way back, Survived and got put in Jail.

No respect i tell ya!

BooBooLovesAll · 04-15-07, 03:40 PM

I want to know how I get put in jail after my sub sinks to 2000 feet.

I wanted to go down with the ship, damnit!

Sailor Steve · 04-15-07, 04:29 PM

Yes, anytime something bad happens a court-martial is held. Usually it's perfunctory, just so if anyone asks they can say they did it.

No, you should not be jailed just for losing your ship; especially when it's in the course of doing great things.

sqk7744 · 04-15-07, 05:14 PM

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CCIP · 04-15-07, 05:29 PM

The only American commander convincted and discharged by a court martial for losing his ship in WWII was the commander of the USS Indianapolis. As most people would agree, very unfairly so (someone just needed a scapegoat).

perisher · 04-15-07, 06:24 PM

Loss of a ship, in any navy, for any reason, usually results in a court martial. At the very least there will be a court of inquiry, which will decide if a court martial is necessary. Remember a court martial is a trial, not a punishment. A court martial may order punishment or it may exonerate. It is not necessarily a bad thing, it may clear the captain's name.

SinisterDexter · 04-15-07, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

(someone just needed a scapegoat).

Say it aint so!!

WFGood · 04-15-07, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yes, anytime something bad happens a court-martial is held. Usually it's perfunctory, just so if anyone asks they can say they did it.

No, you should not be jailed just for losing your ship; especially when it's in the course of doing great things.

Actually, it woudl be a court in inquiry into the loss of the vessel. Then if negligence or something else disturbing were found, a general court martial could be convened.

TheSatyr · 04-17-07, 04:01 AM

I always considered MacArther and Halsey to be the 2 most overated Military leaders the USA had in WW2. They just both knew how to play the reporters that's all.

As for why I consider Halsey to be overrated,all one has to do is look at his actions on the Doolittle Raid,(launched too soon just because they spotted and sank a sampan),The Phillipines Sea,(He left the transports he was supposed to be protecting just to chase after 4 Japanese Carriers that the US carriers had already sunk or seriously damaged...and the Yamato group damn near got to the transports while Halsey was off chasing already trashed carriers.),And running into a typhoon...not once,but twice. Leading to losses of ships and alot of men. Quite frankly,if Halsey had been in command at Midway I have no doubt that he would have managed to lose that battle. He would have continued to chase the Japanese fleet and would have run right into a night battle with Yammamoto's main fleet. Halsey was great for morale and propaganda...but not a very good fleet commander.

04-15-07, 03:37 PM	#1
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Did Skippers Seriously get Court martialed for losing their ship? Thats a little harsh...I mean I Sunk like 70000 tons that patrol and got bombed by planes on the way back, Survived and got put in Jail. No respect i tell ya!

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes, anytime something bad happens a court-martial is held. Usually it's perfunctory, just so if anyone asks they can say they did it. No, you should not be jailed just for losing your ship; especially when it's in the course of doing great things. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	The only American commander convincted and discharged by a court martial for losing his ship in WWII was the commander of the USS Indianapolis. As most people would agree, very unfairly so (someone just needed a scapegoat). __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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perisher Frogman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 300 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Loss of a ship, in any navy, for any reason, usually results in a court martial. At the very least there will be a court of inquiry, which will decide if a court martial is necessary. Remember a court martial is a trial, not a punishment. A court martial may order punishment or it may exonerate. It is not necessarily a bad thing, it may clear the captain's name. __________________ "Pitt was the greatest fool who ever lived to encourage a mode of war which they who commanded the seas did not want, and which, if successful, would deprive them of it." Earl St.Vincent (allegedly)

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BooBooLovesAll Helmsman Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 106 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I want to know how I get put in jail after my sub sinks to 2000 feet. I wanted to go down with the ship, damnit!

04-17-07, 04:01 AM	#9
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I always considered MacArther and Halsey to be the 2 most overated Military leaders the USA had in WW2. They just both knew how to play the reporters that's all. As for why I consider Halsey to be overrated,all one has to do is look at his actions on the Doolittle Raid,(launched too soon just because they spotted and sank a sampan),The Phillipines Sea,(He left the transports he was supposed to be protecting just to chase after 4 Japanese Carriers that the US carriers had already sunk or seriously damaged...and the Yamato group damn near got to the transports while Halsey was off chasing already trashed carriers.),And running into a typhoon...not once,but twice. Leading to losses of ships and alot of men. Quite frankly,if Halsey had been in command at Midway I have no doubt that he would have managed to lose that battle. He would have continued to chase the Japanese fleet and would have run right into a night battle with Yammamoto's main fleet. Halsey was great for morale and propaganda...but not a very good fleet commander.