First Borey-class SSBN will be launched Sunday!!!

Gorshkov · 04-09-07, 07:29 AM

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070409/63353403.html

What do you think about this boomer? Are her overall characteristics comparable with "Ohio", "Vanguard" and "Le Triomphant" classes???

Torpedo Fodder · 04-09-07, 08:25 AM

From the photos I've seen of the concept scale models, her hullform appears similar to the Delta-class, but with one screw instead of two. However, given she is around a decade newer than any other SSBN currently in service, I'd expect her to be at least as advanced, but likely more so. She's definately smaller than to Ohio class (~19,000 tons submerged, with 12-16 missiles, vs. 24,000 tons submerged with 24 missiles), but comprable or larger in size to any other country's SSBNs, and again, probably more advanced.

Kapitan · 04-09-07, 09:55 AM

As far as i knew ohio's were 16,000 tonnes surfaced and 18,500 submerged also at only 560 feet in length (typhoon being 562 feet), in terms of similaritys more delta shaped single screw and i doubt its true parameters have been put up there.

Boery has taken so long to build alot of its components could already be slightly dated, i dont hesitate to think that it may even have the new waterfall displays the akula II's have (well gepard and vepr)

XabbaRus · 04-09-07, 10:45 AM

But what is that sub in the photo?

It can't be a Delta, missile box too small, Yankee maybe? keypublishing show a model with a pump jet and more faired in missile box.

Kapitan · 04-09-07, 10:53 AM

Its a yankee in the picture i know that bow shape any where its the only one to have that kinda shape ever!

SUBMAN1 · 04-09-07, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Its a yankee in the picture i know that bow shape any where its the only one to have that kinda shape ever!

That is what I thought - The deck is not big enough accomidate a boomer with missile silos!

-S

Linton · 04-09-07, 12:31 PM

Is it to be a launch in the conventional sense or merely a lowering?HMS Astute is due to be launched in June-she will actually be lowered in front of some vvips and then later taken back out so all the missing kit can be put in!

Skybird · 04-09-07, 03:59 PM

To think that Western nations transfer money to Russia's deconstruction of rotting nuclear subs - while they spend their own money on building new nuclear subs... We could pay their new subs in the first. Would be less complicated.

Kapitan · 04-09-07, 04:13 PM

You could yes but then dont you think the russian admiralty will say hmm money new ships lets have 12 carriers 16 cruisers 50 DDGs and 2000 other ships and 150 new submarines?

what it costs to scrap two old subs just about covers the cost of a new one.

Skybird · 04-09-07, 04:35 PM

Think you missed my point, Kapitan. Before the Russians build new subs - they should pay themselves for taking care of the radiating garbage in their harbours first.

Gorshkov · 04-09-07, 06:03 PM

Anyway this new Russian boomer seems to be quieter than Ohio-class SSBN. Thus after decades long efforts Russians finally have SSBN undetectable by US Navy. Yes, at more than 5 km distance "Borey" becomes true hole in the water! What a pity now it is too little and too late. Cold War would be much more interesting!

ASWnut101 · 04-09-07, 06:32 PM

Might I ask how you know this?

The only people who should know anything about that are the real bubbleheads here...and half of them are retired.

Linton · 04-10-07, 04:12 AM

It is alleged that an Ohio cannot be heard 1000yds away from another Ohio!

Gorshkov · 04-10-07, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Linton

It is alleged that an Ohio cannot be heard 1000yds away from another Ohio!

And how many yards away from Seawolf???

XabbaRus · 04-16-07, 04:03 PM

So anyone got any mroe info.

There is only the biew of the stern. Pretty obvious it has a pump jet but where does the TA come out if it has one? I know the top fin was covered but there was no tell tale of a TA outlet.

04-09-07, 07:29 AM	#1
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	First Borey-class SSBN will be launched Sunday!!! http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070409/63353403.html What do you think about this boomer? Are her overall characteristics comparable with "Ohio", "Vanguard" and "Le Triomphant" classes???

04-09-07, 08:25 AM	#2
Torpedo Fodder Ensign Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Whitby, Ontario Posts: 234 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	From the photos I've seen of the concept scale models, her hullform appears similar to the Delta-class, but with one screw instead of two. However, given she is around a decade newer than any other SSBN currently in service, I'd expect her to be at least as advanced, but likely more so. She's definately smaller than to Ohio class (~19,000 tons submerged, with 12-16 missiles, vs. 24,000 tons submerged with 24 missiles), but comprable or larger in size to any other country's SSBNs, and again, probably more advanced. __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum - If you want peace, prepare for war. "Those who turn their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't"

04-09-07, 09:55 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	As far as i knew ohio's were 16,000 tonnes surfaced and 18,500 submerged also at only 560 feet in length (typhoon being 562 feet), in terms of similaritys more delta shaped single screw and i doubt its true parameters have been put up there. Boery has taken so long to build alot of its components could already be slightly dated, i dont hesitate to think that it may even have the new waterfall displays the akula II's have (well gepard and vepr) __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-09-07, 10:45 AM	#4
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	But what is that sub in the photo? It can't be a Delta, missile box too small, Yankee maybe? keypublishing show a model with a pump jet and more faired in missile box. __________________

04-09-07, 10:53 AM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Its a yankee in the picture i know that bow shape any where its the only one to have that kinda shape ever! __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-09-07, 12:31 PM	#7
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is it to be a launch in the conventional sense or merely a lowering?HMS Astute is due to be launched in June-she will actually be lowered in front of some vvips and then later taken back out so all the missing kit can be put in! __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

04-09-07, 03:59 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	To think that Western nations transfer money to Russia's deconstruction of rotting nuclear subs - while they spend their own money on building new nuclear subs... We could pay their new subs in the first. Would be less complicated. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-09-07, 04:13 PM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	You could yes but then dont you think the russian admiralty will say hmm money new ships lets have 12 carriers 16 cruisers 50 DDGs and 2000 other ships and 150 new submarines? what it costs to scrap two old subs just about covers the cost of a new one. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-09-07, 04:35 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Think you missed my point, Kapitan. Before the Russians build new subs - they should pay themselves for taking care of the radiating garbage in their harbours first. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-09-07, 06:03 PM	#11
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Anyway this new Russian boomer seems to be quieter than Ohio-class SSBN. Thus after decades long efforts Russians finally have SSBN undetectable by US Navy. Yes, at more than 5 km distance "Borey" becomes true hole in the water! What a pity now it is too little and too late. Cold War would be much more interesting!

04-09-07, 06:32 PM	#12
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Might I ask how you know this? The only people who should know anything about that are the real bubbleheads here...and half of them are retired. __________________

04-10-07, 04:12 AM	#13
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It is alleged that an Ohio cannot be heard 1000yds away from another Ohio! __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

04-16-07, 04:03 PM	#15
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	So anyone got any mroe info. There is only the biew of the stern. Pretty obvious it has a pump jet but where does the TA come out if it has one? I know the top fin was covered but there was no tell tale of a TA outlet. __________________