SH4 compared with SH3

[melin71]

I have both games, and i have played SH3 from day one to now when i have started to play sh4...and i must say..sure.. sh4 look better. tons of bugs. but that did sh3 have from the beginning too. im thinking more of the feeling with the game. and i dont have at all the same feeling that im in a sub as in sh3. why im not complet sure. missing compartment are of course one issu. one issue are no AA for the grafic (not anti air LOL) that destroy some of the feeling for me. but that is a bugg what i have understand. the way the radio are used in the game to destroy a little. and i dont mean the message. but..how you get them. that papper and so in sh3 did the feeling that you was at you desk in your capteints compartment and did read it. this small stuff that are in sh4..no good for me. The subs looks all the same. i dont see that i have change subclass. if im not in S class of course. small clock there and there and some more red light dont do the trick for me. if im in a IXD2 class...it was BIG even in the commandroom. but something are missing for me in sh4..i can only not put my finger on it. of course did the grey wolf mod the sh3 more fun. it may be so that a gigantisk mod like grey wolf to sh4 will make this game what i want in feeling...problem are...i cant put my finger on it..something is missing.


and sorry for my bad enlish.

[Hitman]

Ummm .... 10 lines of text and no reference to the most important change: US subs in the Pacific vs. UBoots in the Atlantic :hmm:

I might of course be wrong, but my approach has never been the "Sh3 vs. SH4" comparison, but instead: Get SH4, load it, see it: What do I like/don't like?

SH3 is a great game for me, sure, but hell it's a game about UBoots! I don't like to draw comparsons between both because it ends up being a german subs vs. US subs thing, and that is NOT the idea....

Let me make a littel suggestion: Forget SH3, load up SH4 again and just put your mind in the Pacific. You are an american, a lucky bastard in command of a crappy S18 sub and the japanese are invading Philippines after a coward surprise attack against your beloved and paradisiac Hawaiian islands....go out there and blow them!! SH3? What is that?

[Antrodemus]

Originally Posted by Hitman

go out there and blow them!!

[melin71]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Ummm .... 10 lines of text and no reference to the most important change: US subs in the Pacific vs. UBoots in the Atlantic :hmm:

I might of course be wrong, but my approach has never been the "Sh3 vs. SH4" comparison, but instead: Get SH4, load it, see it: What do I like/don't like?

SH3 is a great game for me, sure, but hell it's a game about UBoots! I don't like to draw comparsons between both because it ends up being a german subs vs. US subs thing, and that is NOT the idea....

Let me make a littel suggestion: Forget SH3, load up SH4 again and just put your mind in the Pacific. You are an american, a lucky bastard in command of a crappy S18 sub and the japanese are invading Philippines after a coward surprise attack against your beloved and paradisiac Hawaiian islands....go out there and blow them!! SH3? What is that?

you may in fact find that thing...im still in a german boat =) ...

[roguetrooper]

people why not do what i have done install both games and if you feel like being german play sh3 and if you feel like playing as an american play sh4. they are both good games and each have there own good points and bad points.

[SharpShin]

Nobody outside of the US wants to be an American.

[oritpro]

Originally Posted by SharpShin

Nobody outside of the US wants to be an American.

Right, that's why we have such a large number of immigrants (legal and illegal) entering the country every single day.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by SharpShin

Nobody outside of the US wants to be an American.

Whatever.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by roguetrooper

people why not do what i have done install both games and if you feel like being german play sh3 and if you feel like playing as an american play sh4. they are both good games and each have there own good points and bad points.

Well if you are going to bring logic and reason to this thread .......

[oritpro]

Originally Posted by melin71

I have both games, and i have played SH3 from day one to now when i have started to play sh4...and i must say..sure.. sh4 look better. tons of bugs. but that did sh3 have from the beginning too. im thinking more of the feeling with the game. and i dont have at all the same feeling that im in a sub as in sh3. why im not complet sure. missing compartment are of course one issu. one issue are no AA for the grafic (not anti air LOL) that destroy some of the feeling for me. but that is a bugg what i have understand. the way the radio are used in the game to destroy a little. and i dont mean the message. but..how you get them. that papper and so in sh3 did the feeling that you was at you desk in your capteints compartment and did read it. this small stuff that are in sh4..no good for me. The subs looks all the same. i dont see that i have change subclass. if im not in S class of course. small clock there and there and some more red light dont do the trick for me. if im in a IXD2 class...it was BIG even in the commandroom. but something are missing for me in sh4..i can only not put my finger on it. of course did the grey wolf mod the sh3 more fun. it may be so that a gigantisk mod like grey wolf to sh4 will make this game what i want in feeling...problem are...i cant put my finger on it..something is missing.


and sorry for my bad enlish.

I understand what you mean about something missing in the game. SH4 doesn't convey what it "feels" like to be in a WWII submarine quite the way SH3 does. For one, there is no real interaction with the crew and they don't always respond verbally when an order is given.

Another thing that really bugs me is the sonar station. Have you ever watched the sonar operator? You see a guy standing there blocking the view to the sonar screen and the only indication that he is really doing anything is the rotating crank; you can't see the sonar station at all! But what really bugs me is this,; when the engines are running, the sonar dude always skips past the stern end of the ship which is normal. The problem is, he also does this when the engines are completely turned off! That is not normal. When I turn off the engines it is so I can hear better especially behind my sub. So it would appear that the sonar operator is completely skipping about 45 degrees of space behind the sub under all conditions.

The radar is a complete train wreck. I was receiving radar contact reports on a sub that had no radar! I saw somebody else post this in another thread but I have personally experienced it as well.

All in all the atmosphere in SHIV is lacking (IMO) and it appears to be caused by a lot of little problems with the game.

[corvette k225]

I always like the atlantic side of the war,I bet the sale's of SHIV will be half the amount of SHIII, when you think of subs of wwII I always think of the U-BOATS
and the large convoys of the war. I think SHIV has more bug's in it then SHIII,and that as far as world wide sales,UBISOFT will not make a US subsim again! That would be ok with me. I also would think that the DEV Team would have learned alot from SHIII, the folks at GWX shure did.

[TheSatyr]

If SH4 sells half of what SH3 sold then there WON'T be another DC or SH...Pacific or Atlantic. Endo story.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by corvette k225

I always like the atlantic side of the war,I bet the sale's of SHIV will be half the amount of SHIII, when you think of subs of wwII I always think of the U-BOATS

I swear, people seem to be under this false illusion that nothing ever happened in the pacific. Most of the past times that people like in SH3 (sinking subs, capital warships, raiding harbors, and the like) acutally happened more in the pacific and rarely in the atlantic. You know the US submarine force only accounted for 1.6% of the Navy in the pacific, yet was responsible for 54% of the tonnage sunk in that theater.

[melin71]

when i started this thred it was not about the bugs. we all know they are there. it was about the feeling. and some of you may be on right track. the crew, and less intreaktive with them. and i miss the funtcion that i could take a crew members place in the command as in sh3. As i often did with first office under DC attacks. miss that badly.

then air craft attacks...are like sh3..but in 1945...all the time =)

[ryuzu]

Originally Posted by corvette k225

I always like the atlantic side of the war,I bet the sale's of SHIV will be half the amount of SHIII, when you think of subs of wwII I always think of the U-BOATS
and the large convoys of the war. I think SHIV has more bug's in it then SHIII,and that as far as world wide sales,UBISOFT will not make a US subsim again! That would be ok with me. I also would think that the DEV Team would have learned alot from SHIII, the folks at GWX shure did.

I don't think so. All things being equal, SH4 will almost certainly out sell SH3 simply because more Americans will buy it. The only thing I can see getting in the way of that outcome are bugs that cut the life of SH4 short.

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