Repubs plan to Veto bill that will prevent Americans being killed.

[Enigma]

...Of course, I know this isnt the reason the Repubs want to veto the bill, but I was just attempting to point out how absurd the title and content of this thread was/is....

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109492

[Yahoshua]

There's a term for this beahvior, oh what was it? (thinking).

OH YES!! (snaps fingers). I remember now! It's called malice.

mal·ice /ˈmælɪs/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mal-is]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness

But of course, you have your opinion and I have mine. This is called "difference of opinion."

difference of opinion
nouna disagreement or argument about something important; "he had a dispute with his wife"; "there were irreconcilable differences"; "the familiar conflict between Republicans and Democrats" [syn: dispute]





I believe it will cost more lives as our soldiers will be hounded all the way to the tarmac during the retreat as the Jihadists claim victory over U.S. forces. Then the jihadists will then come to our soil (no need to as they're already here) to continue the war with the justification that we killed some distant relative, friend, or fellow moslem whom the Jihadist is unrelated to. The Jihadists will also massacre every Iraqi civilian even suspected of collaborating with U.S. forces.

And you believe that the Jihadists will abandon the war, saving lives in the short term as they'll be too busy slaughteering Iraqi civilians, and leave the U.S. alone after we retreat as they'll be too busy trying to institute a Sharia run state once the Iraqi gov't collapses.

And our troops will come home feeling betrayed, bitter, and at a loss for words for their government and even less for their nation pushing defeatist agendas through congress and shoving it down voters' throats. After that, who would want to serve and be abandonded by congress and savagely attacked by the media?

[Enigma]

The point is that the title of your thread is misleading, and flat out wrong. As is the title I used here....

According to your definition of Malice, you would say the Dems are acting with Malice, in order to hasten the defeat of the US army.

P.S = Define a victory in Iraq. I pay attention every day, and I have no idea what our goal is, what our point of victory is.

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by Enigma

P.S = Define a victory in Iraq. I pay attention every day, and I have no idea what our goal is, what our point of victory is.

OK...how would you define victory in both WWI and WWII? What would have happened had the German and Japanese populace fought to the death? The only way we can define victory in modern war is through genocide or the enemy's surrender. So long as there is an enemy willing to carry out operations, the war is never actually won.

[Enigma]

So long as there is an enemy willing to carry out operations, the war is never actually won.

Theres no army to beat. There is no uniform or flag to surrender. there is no end to the amount of enemies that a civil war torn AND occupied country can produce. My point exactly.

[Yahoshua]

Theres no army to beat. There is no uniform or flag to surrender. there is no end to the amount of enemies that a civil war torn AND occupied country can produce.

Agreed. That's why victory cannot be declared as of yet. A better response is in the other thread.

And the title is not misleading. Again, read my response in the other thread.

[RedMenace]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Theres no army to beat. There is no uniform or flag to surrender. there is no end to the amount of enemies that a civil war torn AND occupied country can produce.

Agreed. That's why victory cannot be declared as of yet.

Wrong. That's why victory cannot be declared EVER.

[cobalt]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0509-06.htm

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by RedMenace

Wrong. That's why victory cannot be declared EVER.

Then prepare to submit.

Originally Posted by cobalt

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0509-06.htm

3 year old articles from "progressive" <insert chuckles here> stupersite Common Dreams.

Snore.

[cobalt]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

3 year old articles from "progressive" <insert chuckles here> stupersite Common Dreams.

Snore.

perhaps my posts would be more relevant to you if I posted links to "Michelle Malkin"

LawL

[Enigma]

Then prepare to submit.

If getting out of a completely useless war that began under false pretenses and is killing coalition soldiers and hardly anyone in the world supports is submitting, then assume me in submission. Of course, the more realistic among us know that it is not submission at all, it's common sense. This whole nonsense about the enemy "following us home"....ugh. Yeah. They will all pile into a row boat and be charging the beaches of North Carolina they day after withdrawl.

Yes, we have to defend the homeleand, and we can do that to the best of our ability with a military that isnt spread thin, and a competent leadership, of which we have neither. Protecting our homeleand has nothing to do with Iraq. Protecting the homeland starts at home, accepting, as most other countries have, that terrorism will always be a lingering threat, a ghost in the shadows. Fighting to prevent it happening here at home, and doing everything in our power to quell such a threat. Leaving American troops in the middle of a civil war with no clear objective, no means of claiming a geographic or symbolic victory, no army to beat, no flag to surrender, no end in sight does nothing, nothing, nothing to stop the threat of terrorism in our homeleand. In fact, it's quite obvious there is more anti American sentiment in the world since our invasion of Iraq than there was before it.

3 year old articles from "progressive" <insert chuckles here> stupersite Common Dreams.

Snore.
perhaps my posts would be more relevant to you if I posted links to "Michelle Malkin"

Indeed. Whats good for the goose?.....

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by cobalt

perhaps my posts would be more relevant to you if I posted links to "Michelle Malkin"

If they're relevant, then who's stopping you?

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by Enigma

If getting out of a completely useless war that began under false pretenses and is killing coalition soldiers and hardly anyone in the world supports is submitting, then assume me in submission. Of course, the more realistic among us know that it is not submission at all, it's common sense. This whole nonsense about the enemy "following us home"....ugh. Yeah. They will all pile into a row boat and be charging the beaches of North Carolina they day after withdrawl.

Yes, we have to defend the homeleand, and we can do that to the best of our ability with a military that isnt spread thin, and a competent leadership, of which we have neither. Protecting our homeleand has nothing to do with Iraq. Protecting the homeland starts at home, accepting, as most other countries have, that terrorism will always be a lingering threat, a ghost in the shadows. Fighting to prevent it happening here at home, and doing everything in our power to quell such a threat. Leaving American troops in the middle of a civil war with no clear objective, no means of claiming a geographic or symbolic victory, no army to beat, no flag to surrender, no end in sight does nothing, nothing, nothing to stop the threat of terrorism in our homeleand. In fact, it's quite obvious there is more anti American sentiment in the world since our invasion of Iraq than there was before it.

And you're willing to bet your life on this asessment?

[Enigma]

And you're willing to bet your life on this asessment?

Absolutly. And im willing to do so without the errosion of our civil liberties in order to "protect" us.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Enigma

If getting out of a completely useless war that began under false pretenses and is killing coalition soldiers and hardly anyone in the world supports is submitting, then assume me in submission. Of course, the more realistic among us know that it is not submission at all, it's common sense. This whole nonsense about the enemy "following us home"....ugh. Yeah. They will all pile into a row boat and be charging the beaches of North Carolina they day after withdrawl.

I didn't see your response yesterday. We actually agree with one another quite a lot.

Look carefully to what posts I responded to, both Yahoshua's and Redmenaces reply to him.

However, regarding the enemy following us home being nonsense, they've already murdered and maimed 1000s in NY, Madrid and London, just to name a few places.

The enemy isn't Iraq per se. As Yahoshua already mentioned, the enemy has no army, no uniform, and no necessary national affiliation.

The enemy is Islam. If you still wish to submit to Islam - assuming you understand the implications of such submission, either as a Muslim or as a dhimmi - then your interest will no loner be in defending homelands, other than those of the Ummah.

In fact, it's quite obvious there is more anti American sentiment in the world since our invasion of Iraq than there was before it.

I do not believe that a country's actions, particularly military ones, should be based on popularity contests. Again, that's not to say that this war is just fine and dandy.

I've always said and I'll repeat again: Had we not gone to Iraq, would there be more terrorists or less terrorists? More victims or less victims?

The answer is no one really knows. What I do know is that myriads of them are in Iraq right now and not spread out in the rest of the world. Iraq is like honey to these flies. In a certain sense, there are blessings to be counted here.
[quote]

Indeed. Whats good for the goose?.....

But I didn't quote Michelle Malkin for anything here. And my point was just look at that childish article at Common Dreams, so fully of cliche's and empty of substance. This was written by a professor?! Someone actually pays money to have their kids educated by this guy?!