Trench Class: who wants it?

WilhelmSchulz. · 03-26-07, 12:10 AM

I think since they added the Gar wich only 6 where built they could make thrench class.

TriskettheKid · 03-26-07, 12:30 AM

You mean the Tench-class, right?

And it wasn't very similar to the Balao. I'd say it was more similar to the Type XXI U-boat.

Tigrone · 03-26-07, 12:47 AM

The Tenches didn't get into action till the spring of 45, and only a few boats, their most important service was their lifeguard patrols. I'm predjudiced in their favor, since my Tigrone is a Tench, but there are real fixes that are needed now to the game. We need to get it fully playable first and patched first. The Tench is just a deep diving improved Balao.

TriskettheKid,
Don't confuse the wartime Tenches with the late 40's GUPPY conversions, which immulated the type XXI U-boats.

Kaleu_Mihoo · 03-26-07, 12:54 AM

Don't want to go OT, but in which meaning was it "more similar" to XXI? In designers' wishful thinking perhaps.
But yes, I'd like to have them in the sim, more then the Gar.

JackChen · 03-26-07, 04:31 AM

My two cents is if they can just add more stuff for us without us having to pay for some expensive expansion pack, all the better

An improvement or addition is better than no improvement/addition.

WilhelmSchulz. · 03-26-07, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriskettheKid

You mean the Tench-class, right?

And it wasn't very similar to the Balao. I'd say it was more similar to the Type XXI U-boat.

If your thinking of the GUPPY refits your right. But wartime Trenches looked just like the Balao

Wartime Trench

CCIP · 03-26-07, 01:54 PM

TENCH!

I don't see why not :hmm:

sea enemy · 03-26-07, 01:58 PM

If you're going to add another sub, add the Narwhal class..They actually saw a good bit of action during the war-I think the developers already out-Tenched themselves when they added the SenToku

Hans Schultz · 03-26-07, 01:58 PM

I'd love to see the Tench, but i'd really rather see the Narwhal first.

babroseker · 05-30-07, 02:20 PM

The Tench class only looked similiar to the Balao. Internally/mechanically they were a little bit different. The most significant issues being a change in the MBT arrangement that did not have vent risers going through the torpedo rooms. This change allowed the Tench class to carry 2 more torpedoes in each of her torpedo rooms, for a total of 28 (as opposed to Gato/Balao's 24). Also Tench class was built from the start with the variable ballast tanks (as opposed to mainly post construction conversions with previous classes) for increased range.

Now, I will say that I'm a bit biased towards the Tench class, as I'm very involved in the restoration of the USS Torsk SS423 in Baltimore. She torpedoed the last two ships of WWII. I just think it is hard to have a WWII submarine simulation that doesn't have the sub that finished out the war (especially since previous versions of Silent Hunter did have it).

Bruce

Hitman · 05-30-07, 03:06 PM

Someone already added the Tench class as an upgraded Balao variant (Which is what she really was AFAIK), so since we have already a good mdoel for her, I would prefer the adition of the Narwhal/Argonaut if possible.

orangenee · 05-31-07, 10:12 AM

I always loved the Tench in Silent Service II but everyones right, it is basically a Balao upgrade, so if another boat was to be added into the game I'd much rather see a Narwhal.

tater · 09-16-07, 12:24 PM

If it's basically a Balao, can't it just be banged out like Gar and S-42?

They are, in effect, "Bungo Pete Clones" of the Gato/Tambor and S-18.

Gar cfg:

Code:

[Unit]
ClassName=SSGar
3DModelFileName=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor
HumanPlayable=YES
Interior=data/Interior/NSS_Gato/NSS_Gato
UnitType=200
MaxSpeed=20.4
MaxSpeedSubmerged=8.75
Length=93.8784
Width=7.9566
RenownAwarded=130

S-42 cfg:

Code:

[Unit]
ClassName=SSS42
3DModelFileName=data/Submarine/NSS_s18/NSS_S18
HumanPlayable=YES
Interior=data/Interior/NSS_SClass/NSS_Sclass
UnitType=200
MaxSpeed=13
MaxSpeedSubmerged=9
Length=66.82
Width=6.3
RenownAwarded=130

Seems like you could follow the way they made those 2 and bang one out with nothing other than text files.

tater

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-07, 12:26 PM

Yes, give me my beloved USS Torsk Tench Class! It is thick skinned like me . Torsk Force! She was only one of 10 built and the only one with the most dives (surfacings) ever! Let me be the one to sink the last frigate of the war..... You get the picture

tater · 09-16-07, 12:52 PM

Sb1171 already did it:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109972

Not messed with for 1.3 I think, but that shows everythign needed, just update with the right new files I guess. Assuming there were any changes.

To make it work with a mod that messes with the campaign (RFB or TM) you'd need to paste in the career start and flotillas stuff into the mod of choice.

View Poll Results: Whada say? Do you want the Trench?
Yea! I mean the added the Gar.	46	40.71%
No. Too simlar to the Balao	16	14.16%
Why Not.	51	45.13%
Voters: 113. You may not vote on this poll

03-26-07, 12:10 AM	#1
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Trench Class: who wants it? I think since they added the Gar wich only 6 where built they could make thrench class. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

03-26-07, 12:47 AM	#3
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	There are more important things to fix right now. The Tenches didn't get into action till the spring of 45, and only a few boats, their most important service was their lifeguard patrols. I'm predjudiced in their favor, since my Tigrone is a Tench, but there are real fixes that are needed now to the game. We need to get it fully playable first and patched first. The Tench is just a deep diving improved Balao. TriskettheKid, Don't confuse the wartime Tenches with the late 40's GUPPY conversions, which immulated the type XXI U-boats. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

03-26-07, 12:54 AM	#4
Kaleu_Mihoo Medic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Poland/Germany Posts: 159 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Don't want to go OT, but in which meaning was it "more similar" to XXI? In designers' wishful thinking perhaps. But yes, I'd like to have them in the sim, more then the Gar. __________________ Beide Maschinen AK voraus, hart backbord, auf 107 Grad gehen! Anlauf beginnt!...NYGM 3.0

03-26-07, 04:31 AM	#5
JackChen Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 46 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	An improvement is better than no improvement My two cents is if they can just add more stuff for us without us having to pay for some expensive expansion pack, all the better An improvement or addition is better than no improvement/addition. __________________ Deluxe Edition SH4 (No.2123), All those quid better be worth it.

03-26-07, 12:30 AM	#2
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	You mean the Tench-class, right? And it wasn't very similar to the Balao. I'd say it was more similar to the Type XXI U-boat.

03-26-07, 01:54 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	TENCH! I don't see why not :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-26-07, 01:58 PM	#8
sea enemy Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 52 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	If you're going to add another sub, add the Narwhal class..They actually saw a good bit of action during the war-I think the developers already out-Tenched themselves when they added the SenToku

03-26-07, 01:58 PM	#9
Hans Schultz Sparky Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 150 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I'd love to see the Tench, but i'd really rather see the Narwhal first.

05-30-07, 02:20 PM	#10
babroseker Bilge Rat Join Date: May 2007 Location: Balitmore, MD Posts: 1 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	The Tench class only looked similiar to the Balao. Internally/mechanically they were a little bit different. The most significant issues being a change in the MBT arrangement that did not have vent risers going through the torpedo rooms. This change allowed the Tench class to carry 2 more torpedoes in each of her torpedo rooms, for a total of 28 (as opposed to Gato/Balao's 24). Also Tench class was built from the start with the variable ballast tanks (as opposed to mainly post construction conversions with previous classes) for increased range. Now, I will say that I'm a bit biased towards the Tench class, as I'm very involved in the restoration of the USS Torsk SS423 in Baltimore. She torpedoed the last two ships of WWII. I just think it is hard to have a WWII submarine simulation that doesn't have the sub that finished out the war (especially since previous versions of Silent Hunter did have it). Bruce

05-30-07, 03:06 PM	#11
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Someone already added the Tench class as an upgraded Balao variant (Which is what she really was AFAIK), so since we have already a good mdoel for her, I would prefer the adition of the Narwhal/Argonaut if possible. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

05-31-07, 10:12 AM	#12
orangenee Engineer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 211 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I always loved the Tench in Silent Service II but everyones right, it is basically a Balao upgrade, so if another boat was to be added into the game I'd much rather see a Narwhal.

09-16-07, 12:26 PM	#14
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, give me my beloved USS Torsk Tench Class! It is thick skinned like me . Torsk Force! She was only one of 10 built and the only one with the most dives (surfacings) ever! Let me be the one to sink the last frigate of the war..... You get the picture __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-16-07, 12:52 PM	#15
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Sb1171 already did it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109972 Not messed with for 1.3 I think, but that shows everythign needed, just update with the right new files I guess. Assuming there were any changes. To make it work with a mod that messes with the campaign (RFB or TM) you'd need to paste in the career start and flotillas stuff into the mod of choice.