I just saw "Das Boot" for the first time.

highkoo · 03-25-07, 08:36 PM

It is hard to explain how empty a hole this movie left me with, its as though an excavation crew holowed out a deep core within me.

Now more then ever i see how strange and silly any war is, men fighting men is the most insane and criminally inhumane act ever to breech its ugly head on the face of this planet. It is so clear to me how the men fighting the wars and those orchestrating them are in such a complete way totally separate that one knows nothing of the other, if those that create these situations were to be in the thick of there creations i see for certain that they would most certainly avoid them.

Besides all of the above i do enjoy the hide and seek of such simulations, and yet must say the glorification of there actuallity is in the best sense of the word a totall act of mentall insanity.

H>K.

Cakewalk · 03-25-07, 08:39 PM

"The Horror... the horror..."

- The final lines from Apocalypse Now, another great war movie that gives the same feeling.

Such destruction, and all for nothing... we see in the end despite all the accomplishments his crew made, his U-Boat sinks in port...

That's humanity, I guess.

Beery · 03-25-07, 08:46 PM

I agree completely.

Another truly great anti-violence film is Gus van Sant's 'Elephant'. It is the only movie I know which shows violence without glorifying it in any way. A lot of people didn't get the film at all, mostly because of the fact that the vast majority of films with violent content tend to glorify the violence to some extent, so an audience is usually spoonfed a message that involves a stereotypical bad guy and some kind of violent catharsis (i.e. the 'bad guy' gets his violent comeuppance in the end). Gus van Sant's film presents violence that is truly realistic - utterly pointless, sordid and without catharsis, so many people felt it cheated them somehow. I didn't feel the same way at all, and Elephant is one of the most interesting and moving films I've ever seen.

highkoo · 03-25-07, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beery

I agree completely.

Another truly great anti-violence film is Gus van Sant's 'Elephant'. It is the only movie I know which shows violence without glorifying it in any way. A lot of people didn't get the film at all, mostly because of the fact that the vast majority of films with violent content tend to glorify the violence to some extent, so an audience is usually spoonfed a message that involves a stereotypical bad guy and some kind of violent catharsis (i.e. the 'bad guy' gets his violent comeuppance in the end). Gus van Sant's film presents violence that is truly realistic - utterly pointless, sordid and without catharsis, so many people felt it cheated them somehow. I didn't feel the same way at all, and Elephant is one of the most interesting and moving films I've ever seen.

Thank you Beery, ill have to check that one out soon.....

glad im not the only one that see's things this way.

*EDIT* I also must say how much i admire all your hard work across the scope. ty beery

WilhelmSchulz. · 03-25-07, 10:03 PM

umm wrong fourm.

highkoo · 03-25-07, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

umm wrong fourm.

sorry didnt see the i saw "das boot" forum located anywhere, point me in the right direction then plz?

Boris · 03-25-07, 10:36 PM

I just saw letters from Iwo Jima yesterday. An awesome, but utterly depressing anti-war film which shows the Japanese in a most realistic way, unlike which I have seen before. It does for Japanese servicemen what Das Boot did for the Germans.

WilhelmSchulz. · 03-25-07, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

umm wrong fourm.

sorry didnt see the i saw "das boot" forum located anywhere, point me in the right direction then plz?

No das boot fourm but there is the SHIII fourm.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=182

BTW: Yes it is a grate movie.

P_Funk · 03-26-07, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Beery

Gus van Sant's film presents violence that is truly realistic - utterly pointless, sordid and without catharsis, so many people felt it cheated them somehow.

Thats because most movie goers or people in general are shallow and don't want a shot of harsh reality which might supplant their pleasant delusions.

Thats the short answer. Forgive my generalization.

TriskettheKid · 03-26-07, 12:52 AM

There are a lot of movies that are similar in message to Das Boot. Some are very old, some are very young, but they have a similar message.

-Band of Brothers (One you hit Episode 4, you really start seeing the overall feeling shift dramatically, most notably The Last Patrol (ep 8) and Why We Fight (ep 9))
-The Enemy Below
-All Quiet on the Western Front (1930 version)
-The Longest Day
-Black Hawk Dawn

The odd thing is that, in order to convey the message that we feel from these movies, the movies themselves have to almost glorify the very violence that many of them detest.

StandingCow · 03-26-07, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TriskettheKid

-All Quiet on the Western Front (1930 version)

You beat me to it. :p I read this book a long time ago and loved it, you really get a good perspective from the side of the German troops.

JackChen · 03-26-07, 01:10 AM

Well, I played SH2 before I saw the movie. SH2 does pay attention to certain details and the movie gives you a good idea and understanding of how it was like to fight in a sub.

You know, I have asked myself, if I survived the whole trip like the German crew and I made it back to port (without that destruction at the end), would I step back into the sub for the next mission? It's only after watching the movie that you understood why the men are drinking themselves silly in the beginning.

ccruner13 · 03-26-07, 01:40 AM

i bought all quiet on the western front in 8th grade and i have read it several times. easily top 5 ive ever read.

the book chickenhawk also up there. vietnam helicopter pilot's story

highkoo · 03-26-07, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

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Originally Posted by highkoo

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

umm wrong fourm.

sorry didnt see the i saw "das boot" forum located anywhere, point me in the right direction then plz?

No das boot fourm but there is the SHIII fourm.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=182

BTW: Yes it is a grate movie.

Good to know WilhelmSchulz, movie just hit me pretty hard and i couldnt think of any other place to share but here

Platapus · 03-26-07, 07:32 AM

If you have many hours to kill, I would recommend reading the book "Das Boot". The author was very skilled in his craft.

The vast majority of the cruise nothing but nothing was happening, but the author was able to express this killing boredom very well but still keeping the story moving.

While I love the movie, somehow the book conveyed the atmosphere a bit more emotionally to me.

03-25-07, 08:36 PM	#1
highkoo Seaman Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 36 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just saw "Das Boot" for the first time. It is hard to explain how empty a hole this movie left me with, its as though an excavation crew holowed out a deep core within me. Now more then ever i see how strange and silly any war is, men fighting men is the most insane and criminally inhumane act ever to breech its ugly head on the face of this planet. It is so clear to me how the men fighting the wars and those orchestrating them are in such a complete way totally separate that one knows nothing of the other, if those that create these situations were to be in the thick of there creations i see for certain that they would most certainly avoid them. Besides all of the above i do enjoy the hide and seek of such simulations, and yet must say the glorification of there actuallity is in the best sense of the word a totall act of mentall insanity. H>K.

03-25-07, 08:46 PM	#3
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree completely. Another truly great anti-violence film is Gus van Sant's 'Elephant'. It is the only movie I know which shows violence without glorifying it in any way. A lot of people didn't get the film at all, mostly because of the fact that the vast majority of films with violent content tend to glorify the violence to some extent, so an audience is usually spoonfed a message that involves a stereotypical bad guy and some kind of violent catharsis (i.e. the 'bad guy' gets his violent comeuppance in the end). Gus van Sant's film presents violence that is truly realistic - utterly pointless, sordid and without catharsis, so many people felt it cheated them somehow. I didn't feel the same way at all, and Elephant is one of the most interesting and moving films I've ever seen. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.

03-25-07, 10:03 PM	#5
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	umm wrong fourm. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

03-26-07, 01:10 AM	#12
JackChen Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 46 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Das Boote Well, I played SH2 before I saw the movie. SH2 does pay attention to certain details and the movie gives you a good idea and understanding of how it was like to fight in a sub. You know, I have asked myself, if I survived the whole trip like the German crew and I made it back to port (without that destruction at the end), would I step back into the sub for the next mission? It's only after watching the movie that you understood why the men are drinking themselves silly in the beginning. __________________ Deluxe Edition SH4 (No.2123), All those quid better be worth it.

03-25-07, 08:39 PM	#2
Cakewalk Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 212 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	"The Horror... the horror..." - The final lines from Apocalypse Now, another great war movie that gives the same feeling. Such destruction, and all for nothing... we see in the end despite all the accomplishments his crew made, his U-Boat sinks in port... That's humanity, I guess.

03-25-07, 10:36 PM	#7
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I just saw letters from Iwo Jima yesterday. An awesome, but utterly depressing anti-war film which shows the Japanese in a most realistic way, unlike which I have seen before. It does for Japanese servicemen what Das Boot did for the Germans.

03-26-07, 12:52 AM	#10
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	There are a lot of movies that are similar in message to Das Boot. Some are very old, some are very young, but they have a similar message. -Band of Brothers (One you hit Episode 4, you really start seeing the overall feeling shift dramatically, most notably The Last Patrol (ep 8) and Why We Fight (ep 9)) -The Enemy Below -All Quiet on the Western Front (1930 version) -The Longest Day -Black Hawk Dawn The odd thing is that, in order to convey the message that we feel from these movies, the movies themselves have to almost glorify the very violence that many of them detest.

03-26-07, 01:40 AM	#13
ccruner13 Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 175 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	i bought all quiet on the western front in 8th grade and i have read it several times. easily top 5 ive ever read. the book chickenhawk also up there. vietnam helicopter pilot's story

03-26-07, 07:32 AM	#15
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,365 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If you have many hours to kill, I would recommend reading the book "Das Boot". The author was very skilled in his craft. The vast majority of the cruise nothing but nothing was happening, but the author was able to express this killing boredom very well but still keeping the story moving. While I love the movie, somehow the book conveyed the atmosphere a bit more emotionally to me.