Any challenge in SH4?

Supagoat · 03-19-07, 12:52 PM

I played, and loved SHIII. I'm not very familiar with the pacific sub theater, though. I have a friend who's quite the war buff who claims that SH4 has to be too easy (if it's realistic) because the US subs basically had no opposition. He claims most of them were lost to aircraft because they were caught surfaced shelling cargo ships. He also claims the Japanese didn't have convoys like you find in SH3.

I haven't played SHIII for a while and I must confess, I do have a hankering for it... But since SHIV lacks starforce, it tempts me to buy it over installing SHIII... But is my friend right?

NefariousKoel · 03-19-07, 12:59 PM

I LOL'd at your friend.

"No opposition" haha.

Barkhorn1x · 03-19-07, 01:00 PM

My opinion - your friend needs to do some more reading on the subject before he spouts off.

But you my friend are in luck - as you are amoungst the most knowledgable group of sub simmers anywhere!

Go back about 4 pages and start reading - you will gain some real knowledge about the period.

Subnuts · 03-19-07, 01:22 PM

Tell your friend to sign up on Subsim, and that he can make comments like that "without opposition!"

mookiemookie · 03-19-07, 01:25 PM

Substandard torpedoes for a large portion of the war, treacherous shallow waters, being forced to patrol into the heavily patrolled and mined home waters of Imperial Japan (to put that in SH3 terms, imagine you've just been ordered to patrol the English Channel) and a fanatical enemy with the most powerful navy in the world at the time.

Sure, sounds like a cakewalk.

I wouldn't worry too much about the challenge aspect. Remember that SH1 was a PTO based sub sim and is considered by many to be the best of all time.

Payoff · 03-19-07, 01:39 PM

Out of approximately 325 subs, 52 were lost. Thats roughly 1 out of 5 submariners still on eternal patrol. U.S. subs made up less than 2% of the U.S. Navy's total force in WWII, yet accounted for more than 55% of all Japanese shipping sent to the bottom. If you take into accont dud torpedos and shallow waters, I dont think it will be a cakewalk.

Supagoat · 03-19-07, 02:07 PM

Good to know! Especially because the first thing I planned to do if I did reinstall SHIII was to go play around in the english channel. Not thrilled about dud torpedoes, but if that's what it takes...!

Thanks.

AVGWarhawk · 03-19-07, 03:00 PM

On the convoy issue. There were some like you would find in the Atlantic. From what I have read, a few would just hug the coastline to the destination. So if this is the case in SH4, we will be taken into shallow waters. Subs and shallow waters do not mix

MikeJW · 03-19-07, 03:54 PM

Shallow waters because merchants hugged the coast, heavy minefields,coastal based AC patrols, long daylight, heavy fog near land, weak unreliable torpedoes. Yep, regular cakewalk.

03-19-07, 12:52 PM	#1
Supagoat Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Any challenge in SH4? I played, and loved SHIII. I'm not very familiar with the pacific sub theater, though. I have a friend who's quite the war buff who claims that SH4 has to be too easy (if it's realistic) because the US subs basically had no opposition. He claims most of them were lost to aircraft because they were caught surfaced shelling cargo ships. He also claims the Japanese didn't have convoys like you find in SH3. I haven't played SHIII for a while and I must confess, I do have a hankering for it... But since SHIV lacks starforce, it tempts me to buy it over installing SHIII... But is my friend right?

03-19-07, 12:59 PM	#2
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I LOL'd at your friend. "No opposition" haha. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

03-19-07, 01:25 PM	#5
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Substandard torpedoes for a large portion of the war, treacherous shallow waters, being forced to patrol into the heavily patrolled and mined home waters of Imperial Japan (to put that in SH3 terms, imagine you've just been ordered to patrol the English Channel) and a fanatical enemy with the most powerful navy in the world at the time. Sure, sounds like a cakewalk. I wouldn't worry too much about the challenge aspect. Remember that SH1 was a PTO based sub sim and is considered by many to be the best of all time. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

03-19-07, 01:39 PM	#6
Payoff Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nash Town, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Out of approximately 325 subs, 52 were lost. Thats roughly 1 out of 5 submariners still on eternal patrol. U.S. subs made up less than 2% of the U.S. Navy's total force in WWII, yet accounted for more than 55% of all Japanese shipping sent to the bottom. If you take into accont dud torpedos and shallow waters, I dont think it will be a cakewalk. __________________ "Hit Shokaku class carrier with three out of six torpedos. Recieved 105 depth charges during three hour period. Heard four terrific explosions in the direction of target, two and one half hours after attack. Believe that baby sank!" Lieutenant Commander Herman Kossler USS Cavalla

03-19-07, 03:00 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	On the convoy issue. There were some like you would find in the Atlantic. From what I have read, a few would just hug the coastline to the destination. So if this is the case in SH4, we will be taken into shallow waters. Subs and shallow waters do not mix __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-19-07, 01:00 PM	#3
Barkhorn1x Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Davie, FL Grid DM 23 Posts: 544 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	My opinion - your friend needs to do some more reading on the subject before he spouts off. But you my friend are in luck - as you are amoungst the most knowledgable group of sub simmers anywhere! Go back about 4 pages and start reading - you will gain some real knowledge about the period.

03-19-07, 01:22 PM	#4
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Tell your friend to sign up on Subsim, and that he can make comments like that "without opposition!"

03-19-07, 02:07 PM	#7
Supagoat Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Good to know! Especially because the first thing I planned to do if I did reinstall SHIII was to go play around in the english channel. Not thrilled about dud torpedoes, but if that's what it takes...! Thanks.

03-19-07, 03:54 PM	#9
MikeJW Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Shallow waters because merchants hugged the coast, heavy minefields,coastal based AC patrols, long daylight, heavy fog near land, weak unreliable torpedoes. Yep, regular cakewalk.