Shore leave

[DaMaGe007]

In Sh3 you left a port and went back to the same port.

Im wondering, in SH4 will we leave pearl and be directed to dock at brisbane for shore leave or somthing else, perhaps having upgrades done at shipyards and we have to actually sail there ?

anyone have any ideas how it will work ?

[Threadfin]

I don't know, but I hope you won't learn of your refit base until you call inbound, which is the way it was generally done in the war, except in the case of the Pearl-Australia shuttle patrols.

[Snowman999]

Im wondering, in SH4 will we leave pearl and be directed to dock at brisbane for shore leave or somthing else, perhaps having upgrades done at shipyards and we have to actually sail there ?

(Trivia meter pegging . . .)

Enlisted men got "liberty". Officers got "shore leave". At least in the WWII USN. Liberty is used for both nowadays.

[Sailor Steve]

US subs were assigned to specific commands, just like the Germans. If you're based out of Fremantle, that's where you'll go.

And I disagree: if you get a few hours or a day ashore, it's liberty. If you're ashore for weeks, it's leave. I was enlisted, and I got leave, as well as liberty.

[Snowman999]

And I disagree: if you get a few hours or a day ashore, it's liberty. If you're ashore for weeks, it's leave. I was enlisted, and I got leave, as well as liberty.

Nope. Liberty and shore leave are two different names for the same concept.

Disbursing School grad here--there are three statuses and only three statuses any member can be in: 1) duty 2) liberty 3) leave. (If you're sick, you're on duty. If you're dead you are, ironically, STILL on duty.) Liberty has a defined max time--I don't recall the PayPersMan, but it's either 48- or 72-hours. Beyond that you have to be on leave. Liberty imposes certain geographic and inebriation restrictions that leave does not, and local commands can restrict liberty in varous ways (half-hour recall, out-of-bounds, etc.)

My original point was that liberty status in the WWII era had two different names for the same basic idea. Enlisted men had many fewer liberties than officers--they had curfews, they had to carry liberty cards, often they had to stand an inspection when they returned (drunk or medical/delousing/short-arm as the case might be), they could not be out of uniform in civilain clothes ashore, etc. Officers, due to RHIP, had fewer restrictions and thus a different name for their time ashore.

Modern sailors wouldn't believe how restricted sailors' lives were before the Zumwalt era. My father was an E-6 living on-board a tin can when he wanted to get married. He not only had to put in for a 48-hour liberty, he had to go to a buddy's house to change into a sport coat--no civilian clothes allowed on board under E-7. (I recall "locker clubs" outside the main gate of NOB as late as 1968.) But the kicker was he had to put in ANOTHER chit to the CO to get permission to get married. CO's were allowed to say no, and it was a UCMJ violation to go ahead, even if one was an E-6 war veteran like Dad.