Bullies on a forum

Linton · 03-07-07, 01:46 PM

Before I start this has nothing to do with subsim.com.
I recently went on an open forum that is meant to be about consumer rights.The forum is divided into various sections and I posted a rant/warning on a part dedicated to computer issues.I was posting about my disgust of the Vista operating system and the fact that very little equipment is compatible such as modems printers etc.The responses I got were generally far from helpful though a few people did give some good links and some others were quite insulting.I was beginning to think that a lot of the posters worked for microsoft!There appears to be no moderation at all on this particular site and a hard core of regular posters rule the forum.
I just wondered if anybody else has had a similiar experience on a forum and how they dealt with it?I will not be posting there again.
I also now realise the value of a moderator to a forum.Considering that subsim has such a large membership from many continents I think we all get on very well and long may it continue!!!

AVGWarhawk · 03-07-07, 01:54 PM

I ignore the flamers on the forums until they have something to offer other than insult. Quite often, if they do not get a rise out of you they will shape up or just go away. Acknowledge those that give legitimate answers and soon the flamers will realize they are being ignored thus going away. Anonimity can be a powerful weapon if you let it.

geetrue · 03-07-07, 02:09 PM

Yes, Linton it's a mean world out there ... I don't cuss, but over at milatary.com it's like a pool hall ... It's much nicer in here. :p

Linton · 03-07-07, 02:14 PM

Perhaps I was lulled into thinking that everybody on a forum should behavein a gentlemanly manner,having grown used to that on every other site I visit.Ignoring flamers starves them of the oxygen of publicity.I will not be so naive again.

AVGWarhawk · 03-07-07, 02:38 PM

Yep, flamers are looking for the rise out of anyone who will entertain one. It is like poison ivy on your skin, do not itch and it will go away

ReallyDedPoet · 03-07-07, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yep, flamers are looking for the rise out of anyone who will entertain one. It is like poison ivy on your skin, do not itch and it will go away

Wise words AVGWarhawk, wise words indeed.

Gizzmoe · 03-07-07, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yep, flamers are looking for the rise out of anyone who will entertain one. It is like poison ivy on your skin, do not itch and it will go away

Yes, but this only works in maybe 20% of the cases, most of the time the moderators need to take care of them one way or the other, because someone almost always responds to a post of a flamer/troll/moron, and then the "fun" starts. When a forum reaches a certain size it needs a bunch of good moderators, and more importantly, an admin who wants his forum to be a nice place. Subsim has both.

joea · 03-07-07, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yep, flamers are looking for the rise out of anyone who will entertain one. It is like poison ivy on your skin, do not itch and it will go away

Yes, but this only works in maybe 20% of the cases, most of the time the moderators need to take care of them one way or the other, because someone almost always responds to a post of a flamer/troll/moron, and then the "fun" starts. When a forum reaches a certain size it needs a bunch of good moderators, and more importantly, an admin who wants his forum to be a nice place. Subsim has both.

It does.

STEED · 03-07-07, 02:42 PM

I went bye bye to a number of forums over the years, the first one was a bunch of idiots justifying terrorists and demanded I apologise for my statement that I thought terrorists were scum of the earth. That was a few years ago the other ones were just as insulting and crass, the best thing is stay on the side lines and read the posts before you make the big leap forward.

All forums have give and take but when you get BS from trolls it's time to say goodbye.

Dowly · 03-07-07, 03:05 PM

The Finnish forums are by-far the most unfriendly forums I´ve ever visited. No matter what you say, someone comes and insults you.

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-07-07, 03:11 PM

Dont talk to me about being insulted. Luckily, most people dont know how tall I am on forums (except you guys but you guys rock). However, in the outside world, you wouldnt believe how deep I get cut sometimes

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-07-07, 03:50 PM

People are only people, and there will always be arguments between them. We all had rants and quarrels, sometimes unintentionally offending someone as a result of misunderstanding, bad joke or something even sillier. It happened to me a few times. In that case there are good manners and common sense to the rescue. But when it's intentional, there's no excuse.

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

flintlock · 03-07-07, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linton

Perhaps I was lulled into thinking that everybody on a forum should behavein a gentlemanly manner

The anonymity of the internet seems to bring out the worst in many.

Mush Martin · 03-07-07, 05:15 PM

treat it with the contempt it deserves gentleman I say.

We of all continents should be Gentleman and ladies here on the
forums where we interact

Manners as such are the oil in the gears of societies.
any person member or non member of a group who spits
on manners as an approved approach, simply throws sand
into the gears of society a counter productive business at best
and clearly a sign of inferior intellect as the benefit of the group
benefits the individuals of the group and the detriment of the group
hurts us all.

I am not a very soft fellow in real life.
I believe that the real enemy in the world is stupidity and nothing else.
(im surrounded and outnumbered but Field Marshall Foch said it best.)

it doesnt matter if your asian European Aussie or african
there are those among all societies concious and concientious
we have an obligation within ourselves to the imprvement of our
respective societies and we are shamed not by the stupities of
others but by the stupidities of our own.

we as thinking beings have a social obligation to frighten embarass or openly ridicule stupidity where ever it rears its ugly head. to do anything
otherwise like disregarding it or laughing it off is to only encourage further
stupidity.

call it the Behavioural approach to human existence.
I dont make the rules of the society i live in.
I do my best to make and keep them honest and refine
in the adapt and overcome method of evolution.

we should be allowed to run down Jay walkers and there estates should
have to fix our cars.

we have approached society upside down at least here in the west.
social laws protect the lives of the cull.

My opinion.

Call it a rant about the problem with the Gelware in Humanity.

"Jimps mr president Jimps......you know the Jimpanzees these we should send to the moon."

fredbass · 03-07-07, 05:45 PM

Some people forget that most forums are private, and as such, can make up their own rules as they see fit and all members must abide by those rules, whether you like them or not.

I say that only because I've read posts in other forums where people think they can wave the "Freedom of Speech" flag so they can get what they want, but that doesn't fly, of course.

03-07-07, 01:46 PM	#1
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bullies on a forum Before I start this has nothing to do with subsim.com. I recently went on an open forum that is meant to be about consumer rights.The forum is divided into various sections and I posted a rant/warning on a part dedicated to computer issues.I was posting about my disgust of the Vista operating system and the fact that very little equipment is compatible such as modems printers etc.The responses I got were generally far from helpful though a few people did give some good links and some others were quite insulting.I was beginning to think that a lot of the posters worked for microsoft!There appears to be no moderation at all on this particular site and a hard core of regular posters rule the forum. I just wondered if anybody else has had a similiar experience on a forum and how they dealt with it?I will not be posting there again. I also now realise the value of a moderator to a forum.Considering that subsim has such a large membership from many continents I think we all get on very well and long may it continue!!! __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

03-07-07, 01:54 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I ignore the flamers on the forums until they have something to offer other than insult. Quite often, if they do not get a rise out of you they will shape up or just go away. Acknowledge those that give legitimate answers and soon the flamers will realize they are being ignored thus going away. Anonimity can be a powerful weapon if you let it. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-07-07, 02:09 PM	#3
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yes, Linton it's a mean world out there ... I don't cuss, but over at milatary.com it's like a pool hall ... It's much nicer in here. :p __________________

03-07-07, 02:14 PM	#4
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Perhaps I was lulled into thinking that everybody on a forum should behavein a gentlemanly manner,having grown used to that on every other site I visit.Ignoring flamers starves them of the oxygen of publicity.I will not be so naive again. __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

03-07-07, 02:38 PM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yep, flamers are looking for the rise out of anyone who will entertain one. It is like poison ivy on your skin, do not itch and it will go away __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-07-07, 02:42 PM	#9
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I went bye bye to a number of forums over the years, the first one was a bunch of idiots justifying terrorists and demanded I apologise for my statement that I thought terrorists were scum of the earth. That was a few years ago the other ones were just as insulting and crass, the best thing is stay on the side lines and read the posts before you make the big leap forward. All forums have give and take but when you get BS from trolls it's time to say goodbye. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-07-07, 03:05 PM	#10
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The Finnish forums are by-far the most unfriendly forums I´ve ever visited. No matter what you say, someone comes and insults you.

03-07-07, 03:11 PM	#11
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Dont talk to me about being insulted. Luckily, most people dont know how tall I am on forums (except you guys but you guys rock). However, in the outside world, you wouldnt believe how deep I get cut sometimes __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-07-07, 03:50 PM	#12
Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	People are only people, and there will always be arguments between them. We all had rants and quarrels, sometimes unintentionally offending someone as a result of misunderstanding, bad joke or something even sillier. It happened to me a few times. In that case there are good manners and common sense to the rescue. But when it's intentional, there's no excuse. http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

03-07-07, 05:15 PM	#14
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	treat it with the contempt it deserves gentleman I say. We of all continents should be Gentleman and ladies here on the forums where we interact Manners as such are the oil in the gears of societies. any person member or non member of a group who spits on manners as an approved approach, simply throws sand into the gears of society a counter productive business at best and clearly a sign of inferior intellect as the benefit of the group benefits the individuals of the group and the detriment of the group hurts us all. I am not a very soft fellow in real life. I believe that the real enemy in the world is stupidity and nothing else. (im surrounded and outnumbered but Field Marshall Foch said it best.) it doesnt matter if your asian European Aussie or african there are those among all societies concious and concientious we have an obligation within ourselves to the imprvement of our respective societies and we are shamed not by the stupities of others but by the stupidities of our own. we as thinking beings have a social obligation to frighten embarass or openly ridicule stupidity where ever it rears its ugly head. to do anything otherwise like disregarding it or laughing it off is to only encourage further stupidity. call it the Behavioural approach to human existence. I dont make the rules of the society i live in. I do my best to make and keep them honest and refine in the adapt and overcome method of evolution. we should be allowed to run down Jay walkers and there estates should have to fix our cars. we have approached society upside down at least here in the west. social laws protect the lives of the cull. My opinion. Call it a rant about the problem with the Gelware in Humanity. "Jimps mr president Jimps......you know the Jimpanzees these we should send to the moon." __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-07-07, 05:45 PM	#15
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some people forget that most forums are private, and as such, can make up their own rules as they see fit and all members must abide by those rules, whether you like them or not. I say that only because I've read posts in other forums where people think they can wave the "Freedom of Speech" flag so they can get what they want, but that doesn't fly, of course. __________________