"We've got Japs!!!"

Wulfmann · 02-14-07, 07:21 PM

I find it somewhat ironic that the thread title, a quote from "Medal of Honor, Pacific Assault" game about the war in the Pacific which uses the term Jap constantly; did I mention it was a "game", while we are supposed to simulate the Pacific War all while we sanitize it in complete disregard for history and those that suffered because of it.

While it was the Nazis that committed some of the most horrendous crimes in human history it was Germans that did not do this that paid huge restitution and carried the guilt for what their grandfathers did.
They admitted to it, accepted responsibility and have lived up to it.

The Japanese, however, did many of the same horrendous crimes and against Americans and Brits which the Nazis did not do. They do not admit the known facts, they do not accept responsibility and they did not and do not pay restitution.

This is an important point of earned respect and any right to complain.

If any Japanese person post on any forum and so complains about the “casual” use of the term “Jap” and does not start with an admition and an apology for these known facts I can assure you I will remind him of this simple act of respect yet given by his country and its people and disqualifies him to demand or expect anything until the basic apology occurs.

It is the Japanese people that should demand they take responsibility for the actions of their grandfathers and stop whining about abbreviations.

I abhor racism. I am against discrimination for race, religion, ethnicity etc etc.
If someone posting from Japan was called a “Jap” something like “listen you stupid Jap! I would be outraged as that is the context of hatred.
For someone to post, Yep, sank me a Jap cruiser, big one, Atoga maybe. It would be as correct as anything and to ban such talk is censorship beyond reason and detracts from the spirit of a WWII “WAR” sim.

When Japan comes clean they can make that request. Until they do, they have no right. Nada, none.

I have every faith the Mods will keep an eye on this and not tolerate any direct disrespect. But, they would be doing the memory of the victims a dishonor if they did not allow this slang to remain in a tasteful way as a reminder of responsibility not yet taken.

Wulfmann

Morts · 02-14-07, 07:26 PM

nice title
considering that we're not s'posed to use the word "jap"

you evil racist

just joking !

flintlock · 02-14-07, 07:28 PM

Neal just closed the last lengthy thread on this, and another one immediately pops up to takes its place.

Boris · 02-14-07, 07:33 PM

Says the man the the Jap avatar :rotfl:

I watched destination Tokyo today (great movie), and they also used the word jap more than once, not to mention a number of racist comments which got me laughing out load.

flintlock · 02-14-07, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris

Says the man the the Jap avatar

lol - quiet you!

Mush Martin · 02-14-07, 07:35 PM

Here here I cant be politically correct I was raised by good parents
to be chivalrous

objectively its the same as saying I sunk a yank carrier

which doesnt carry the same connotation as

I sunk the Gaijin Scum.

I agree with both its only a game and
I agree that the Hypersensitive world needs
to get back in touch with reality

context matters in how we say things in english

given the simple sentence.

I didnt say he took it.

you can hear the sentence five different ways.

I didnt say he took it.

I DIDNT say he took it.

I didnt SAY he took it.

I didnt say HE took it

I didnt say he took it

or

I didnt say he took it.

all of the sentences read the same without bold italics
but in each case the inflection and context
affect the meaning.

Abhor is not a strong enough word for the way I feel
about racism. The real enemy is stupidity no matter
where its from or what color it is or what church it
goes to.

there is no shortage of people of my tribe that
are stupid and ignorant.

I am all for correctness politeness and equanimity for all.

however to call the inane attempts that disregard context
correctness

isnt.

Onkel Neal · 02-14-07, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

If any Japanese person post on any forum and so complains about the “casual” use of the term “Jap” and does not start with an admition and an apology for these known facts I can assure you I will remind him of this simple act of respect yet given by his country and its people and disqualifies him to demand or expect anything until the basic apology occurs.

Wulfmann

When the term is used in the context of a movie or game, ok. But when someone uses it in this forum, to rant, uh-uh.

Don't bring this up again, Wulfmann.

Neal

02-14-07, 07:21 PM	#1
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	"We've got Japs!!!" I find it somewhat ironic that the thread title, a quote from "Medal of Honor, Pacific Assault" game about the war in the Pacific which uses the term Jap constantly; did I mention it was a "game", while we are supposed to simulate the Pacific War all while we sanitize it in complete disregard for history and those that suffered because of it. While it was the Nazis that committed some of the most horrendous crimes in human history it was Germans that did not do this that paid huge restitution and carried the guilt for what their grandfathers did. They admitted to it, accepted responsibility and have lived up to it. The Japanese, however, did many of the same horrendous crimes and against Americans and Brits which the Nazis did not do. They do not admit the known facts, they do not accept responsibility and they did not and do not pay restitution. This is an important point of earned respect and any right to complain. If any Japanese person post on any forum and so complains about the “casual” use of the term “Jap” and does not start with an admition and an apology for these known facts I can assure you I will remind him of this simple act of respect yet given by his country and its people and disqualifies him to demand or expect anything until the basic apology occurs. It is the Japanese people that should demand they take responsibility for the actions of their grandfathers and stop whining about abbreviations. I abhor racism. I am against discrimination for race, religion, ethnicity etc etc. If someone posting from Japan was called a “Jap” something like “listen you stupid Jap! I would be outraged as that is the context of hatred. For someone to post, Yep, sank me a Jap cruiser, big one, Atoga maybe. It would be as correct as anything and to ban such talk is censorship beyond reason and detracts from the spirit of a WWII “WAR” sim. When Japan comes clean they can make that request. Until they do, they have no right. Nada, none. I have every faith the Mods will keep an eye on this and not tolerate any direct disrespect. But, they would be doing the memory of the victims a dishonor if they did not allow this slang to remain in a tasteful way as a reminder of responsibility not yet taken. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

02-14-07, 07:35 PM	#6
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Here here I cant be politically correct I was raised by good parents to be chivalrous objectively its the same as saying I sunk a yank carrier which doesnt carry the same connotation as I sunk the Gaijin Scum. I agree with both its only a game and I agree that the Hypersensitive world needs to get back in touch with reality context matters in how we say things in english given the simple sentence. I didnt say he took it. you can hear the sentence five different ways. I didnt say he took it. I DIDNT say he took it. I didnt *SAY* he took it. I didnt say HE took it I didnt say he *took* it or I didnt say he took it. all of the sentences read the same without bold italics but in each case the inflection and context affect the meaning. Abhor is not a strong enough word for the way I feel about racism. The real enemy is stupidity no matter where its from or what color it is or what church it goes to. there is no shortage of people of my tribe that are stupid and ignorant. I am all for correctness politeness and equanimity for all. however to call the inane attempts that disregard context correctness isnt. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

02-14-07, 07:26 PM	#2
Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	nice title considering that we're not s'posed to use the word "jap" you evil racist just joking !

02-14-07, 07:28 PM	#3
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Neal just closed the last lengthy thread on this, and another one immediately pops up to takes its place.

02-14-07, 07:33 PM	#4
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Says the man the the Jap avatar :rotfl: I watched destination Tokyo today (great movie), and they also used the word jap more than once, not to mention a number of racist comments which got me laughing out load.