Companies actively pursuing Illegal Aliens money?

SUBMAN1 · 02-07-07, 03:55 PM

Wow! What next? I guess the US is failing and it won't be long till we are a shadow of our former selves - we have no self identity left in this country. This is a move based on pure greed and that is the signalling of the end if it is tolerated by the rest of the US. No self identity as the US of A, and the US of A will fail.

This would never have happened 20 years ago.

-S

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...union0205.html

flintlock · 02-07-07, 04:35 PM

You Americans have something in the neighborhood of 11 million illegal immigrants (mostly from Latin America) now living in your country. From what I read, appart from cordial lip service, your Congress simply isn't serious about addressing this issue. So I'm certainly not surprised to read of this financial institution trying to exploit the current situation. It's interesting that the article speaks about the possible backlash -- which will undoubtedly be a minior whimper which will fall on deaf ears anyway.

Tchocky · 02-07-07, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wow! What next? I guess the US is failing and it won't be long till we are a shadow of our former selves - we have no self identity left in this country. This is a move based on pure greed and that is the signalling of the end if it is tolerated by the rest of the US. No self identity as the US of A, and the US of A will fail.

It's certainly in keeping with the spirit of enterprise. It's not the Credit Unions fault that the immigrants are there.

SUBMAN1 · 02-07-07, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wow! What next? I guess the US is failing and it won't be long till we are a shadow of our former selves - we have no self identity left in this country. This is a move based on pure greed and that is the signalling of the end if it is tolerated by the rest of the US. No self identity as the US of A, and the US of A will fail.

It's certainly in keeping with the spirit of enterprise. It's not the Credit Unions fault that the immigrants are there.

No, but their actions are promoting their staying, and they know it. It is the transfer to a pure greed environment. No society in the past has ever survived the transfer from anything resembling nationalistic pride to a pure greed based model.

-S

Tchocky · 02-07-07, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

No, but their actions are promoting their staying, and they know it. It is the transfer to a pure greed environment. No society in the past has ever survived the transfer from anything resembling nationalistic pride to a pure greed based model.

-S

Greed happens every day, and it's got nothing to do with nationality or "nationalistic pride". The job of the business is to make money, not to secure borders, and not to foster "nationalistic pride" or national self-identity. If it as you say promotes illegals to stay, then so what?

SUBMAN1 · 02-07-07, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

No, but their actions are promoting their staying, and they know it. It is the transfer to a pure greed environment. No society in the past has ever survived the transfer from anything resembling nationalistic pride to a pure greed based model.

-S

Greed happens every day, and it's got nothing to do with nationality or "nationalistic pride". The job of the business is to make money, not to secure borders, and not to foster "nationalistic pride" or national self-identity. If it as you say promotes illegals to stay, then so what?

You can't see that your national pride is failing in this manner? Years ago, companies would probably try and do the same thing, but under the table without anyone knowing. Now you see it happening openly and it is being accepted. Starting to see the picture yet? Your borders are disappearing and even though it is illegal to open a bank account for these people, illegal for them to cross the border in the first place, illegal for them to even be here, and people don't seem to care. This is just touching the tip of the iceberg on this subject - but the short of it is, anything illegal should not be tolerated - period. Might as well ship cocaine up from Columbia since its no big deal the way you describe it.

-S

Tchocky · 02-07-07, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You can't see that your national pride is failing in this manner? Years ago, companies would probably try and do the same thing, but under the table without anyone knowing. Now you see it happening openly and it is being accepted. Starting to see the picture yet? Your borders are disappearing and even though it is illegal to open a bank account for these people, illegal for them to cross the border in the first place, illegal for them to even be here, and people don't seem to care. This is just touching the tip of the iceberg on this subject - but the short of it is, anything illegal should not be tolerated - period. Might as well ship cocaine up from Columbia since its no big deal the way you describe it.

-S

I understand that it's illegal for those workers to be in the US, thats more or less open and shut. Illegal immigration is a serious concern, and more schemes like Operation Gatekeeper couldnt go amiss. The question of illegals already in the US is a different one, and a matter for legislation and policy.

I don't see how businesses are involved, though. If someone has made it to the USA to work, they'll want to spend at least some of the money they earn. It is good business sense to deal with them. The status of the immigrant isn't the concern of the business, it's a matter for the government.

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You can't see that your national pride is failing in this manner?

No, I really can't.

SUBMAN1 · 02-07-07, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You can't see that your national pride is failing in this manner? Years ago, companies would probably try and do the same thing, but under the table without anyone knowing. Now you see it happening openly and it is being accepted. Starting to see the picture yet? Your borders are disappearing and even though it is illegal to open a bank account for these people, illegal for them to cross the border in the first place, illegal for them to even be here, and people don't seem to care. This is just touching the tip of the iceberg on this subject - but the short of it is, anything illegal should not be tolerated - period. Might as well ship cocaine up from Columbia since its no big deal the way you describe it.

-S

I understand that it's illegal for those workers to be in the US, thats more or less open and shut. Illegal immigration is a serious concern, and more schemes like Operation Gatekeeper couldnt go amiss. The question of illegals already in the US is a different one, and a matter for legislation and policy.

I don't see how businesses are involved, though. If someone has made it to the USA to work, they'll want to spend at least some of the money they earn. It is good business sense to deal with them. The status of the immigrant isn't the concern of the business, it's a matter for the government.

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You can't see that your national pride is failing in this manner?

No, I really can't.

So, from what I understand, an illegal already here is OK from what you describe? Next off, unless you are opening a business account, it is illegal to open a bank account without a valid SS number, so this is OK? According to you, it is OK for a business to support both illegal acitvities, as long as an extra buck is made, is that correct?

Another thought - Is it OK for a bank to launder money from drug cartels? That is along the same lines. It is money made illegally. So what is different here exactly? Not as many people hurt from how this money was made? Or maybe is it a question of that not as many people are at the forefront were hurt since all the people hurt are still hiding in the shadows?

The point is - you have a situation here where people are turning a blind eye. They are not looking out for the future of their chidren anymore. They are looking in an of themselves. This is a cancer upon society. It is not just with illegals, it is with all things. Our society is on a downward spiral and this is just one more thing to add to the fire.

-S

Enigma · 02-07-07, 09:52 PM

I dont know as much as I should about this issue, but Ithink we need to....

-Implement huuuuge financial penalties for companies who knowigly employ illegal immigrants.

-Make the process of coming to this country legally easier than the process of sneaking in.

my 2 cents.

Ishmael · 02-07-07, 11:11 PM

See. We invaded the wrong country. Instead of Iraq, we should have invaded Mexico. They have oil too, they had as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq, it's a hell of a lot closer and we've already done it once. We could have invaded Mexico for a lot less than Iraq is going to cost us and half of the Mexicans polled would move to the US if given the opportunity.

GSpector · 02-07-07, 11:28 PM

"The credit union offers reassurances that account holders will still have access to the funds, even if they're deported, Garcia said. "They're afraid that that institution will partner with the Department of Homeland Security and report to them who's in an undocumented situation or not," Garcia said. "We're not going to be required to notify an agency if we find out they're undocumented. We're not required by law to do that." "

It may not be the law yet that the Credit Union has to report them but if I am not mistaken he IRS or FBI could go through the Courts to pull the records of all accounts just to see who may or may not be here legally :hmm:

I see it as a plus to stay here and there for not in favor of this.

If these people really want to move here and enjoy the benefits, then study for 7 years on a visa (or green card) and become a U.S. Citizen. If they have not gone through the correct steps to gain citizenship then I agree with deportation. They really have everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing it right and legally.

That's my 2¢

02-07-07, 03:55 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Companies actively pursuing Illegal Aliens money? Wow! What next? I guess the US is failing and it won't be long till we are a shadow of our former selves - we have no self identity left in this country. This is a move based on pure greed and that is the signalling of the end if it is tolerated by the rest of the US. No self identity as the US of A, and the US of A will fail. This would never have happened 20 years ago. -S http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...union0205.html __________________

02-07-07, 09:52 PM	#9
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I dont know as much as I should about this issue, but Ithink we need to.... -Implement huuuuge financial penalties for companies who knowigly employ illegal immigrants. -Make the process of coming to this country legally easier than the process of sneaking in. my 2 cents. __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

02-07-07, 11:28 PM	#11
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	"The credit union offers reassurances that account holders will still have access to the funds, even if they're deported, Garcia said. "They're afraid that that institution will partner with the Department of Homeland Security and report to them who's in an undocumented situation or not," Garcia said. "We're not going to be required to notify an agency if we find out they're undocumented. We're not required by law to do that." " It may not be the law yet that the Credit Union has to report them but if I am not mistaken he IRS or FBI could go through the Courts to pull the records of all accounts just to see who may or may not be here legally :hmm: I see it as a plus to stay here and there for not in favor of this. If these people really want to move here and enjoy the benefits, then study for 7 years on a visa (or green card) and become a U.S. Citizen. If they have not gone through the correct steps to gain citizenship then I agree with deportation. They really have everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing it right and legally. That's my 2¢ __________________ Specter

02-07-07, 04:35 PM	#2
flintlock Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,177 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You Americans have something in the neighborhood of 11 million illegal immigrants (mostly from Latin America) now living in your country. From what I read, appart from cordial lip service, your Congress simply isn't serious about addressing this issue. So I'm certainly not surprised to read of this financial institution trying to exploit the current situation. It's interesting that the article speaks about the possible backlash -- which will undoubtedly be a minior whimper which will fall on deaf ears anyway.

02-07-07, 11:11 PM	#10
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	See. We invaded the wrong country. Instead of Iraq, we should have invaded Mexico. They have oil too, they had as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq, it's a hell of a lot closer and we've already done it once. We could have invaded Mexico for a lot less than Iraq is going to cost us and half of the Mexicans polled would move to the US if given the opportunity.