Well What can I say

[STEED]

No it dose not come from the daily mail.

Under-18s are given a licence to smoke dope

All I can say is this I'm not surprised at all not one bit.

[lesrae]

Well, I suppose it could free up police time for more valuable tasks :hmm:

[U-533]

Oh wow man... we need to have all drugs legalized here cause we dont have a work force that wants to work for mminnimumwage cause drugsareto high when i Smoke ItShardto concitratebut I will work tokeepbuyingwhatineed FOR aFIX ya know sonow ANEWworkingclASScan BEginto work for drugsand WHEN they cant workNOMOREtheyCANBE puton GOVERNMENTCheeze andlet the OTHER ADDICTS PAY for it yeah man coooll

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by STEED

No it dose not come from the daily mail.

Under-18s are given a licence to smoke dope

All I can say is this I'm not surprised at all not one bit.

What's Next!!!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

This may actually help to stop people smoking it. Most of the appeal of marijuana is the thought of it being wrong to smoke it. If its legalised, it becomes about as exciting as a drizzle, but more expensive.

For the record, I've never, dont, and never will smoke anything. Ever. Digsuting habit, frankly.

[U-533]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

What's Next!!!

I could tell ya but it may scare ya!

[jumpy]

Sensible idea if you ask me. Get plod out dealing with real crime and not wasting my taxes on pointless budy budy politically inspired youth policing. Better for them to tackle the reasons why kids are not in school learning to better themselves and to make more arrests of the little ***** who smash the wing mirrors of cars for fun, or the lot round here who think it's funny to throw rocks at passing cars whilst their parents look on and do FA.
Common sense policing and legislation... well, you can't have you cake and eat it you know :rotfl:

Sure, some substances can be very dangerous to some people (for a variety of reasons) but our government has been taxing the majority of us with the knowledge of lung cancer for decades. It all depends on what side of the tax revenue you sit on, amongst other things.

Weed changes brain chemistry and is baaad mm'kay?

Alcohol destroys your liver, alters brain chemistry and causes so much damage to our towns and cities on an average friday or saturday night; not forgetting how easy it is to give your nagging bitch of a wife a damn good belting when she complains that you've spent all night down the local pissing the social money up the wall... But all of that is ok it's established, traditional and taxed to ****.

Last time I had a smoke I was overcome by the desire to make some toast and a cup of tea and snuggle up with her on the sofa to watch a bit of telly. Would I have had such a civilised and pleasant evening going to the pub in the middle of town with my better half being leered at and groped by drunken Neanderthals just itching to show their manly prowess to all and sundry by starting a fight for no better reason than because their limited intelligence cannot conceive of anything better?

Honestly, I don't think so.

[TteFAboB]

It's good if it stops here.

It's bad if tomorrow holds cocaine, LSD and whatever else legalized as millions of young adults seek a new thing after cannabis lost its effect and started making them just feel sleepy and lazy.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by jumpy

Last time I had a smoke I was overcome by the desire to make some toast and a cup of tea and snuggle up with her on the sofa to watch a bit of telly. Would I have had such a civilised and pleasant evening going to the pub in the middle of town with my better half being leered at and groped by drunken Neanderthals just itching to show their manly prowess to all and sundry by starting a fight for no better reason than because their limited intelligence cannot conceive of anything better?

Honestly, I don't think so.

Actually i could say the same just a laid back safe christmas , sitting at home watching movies and eating, listening to all the drunks come home late at night making a hell of a racket, the bastards disturbed my peace. At the moment im glued to two books im reading "God knows" by Joseph Heller a must read for any religous nut that dont mind the comedy side of King David the writer a genius! He also wrote "Catch 22". 2nd book "Blind mans bluff" about the cold war, just read about the Thresher that went down in the Atlantic in the 60s

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jumpy

Common sense policing and legislation...

Not from the present government that's for sure. There are many problems that are in some way interlocking and no one is looking in to it, there's no point looking at part of the picture the whole picture must be seen before a solution is given. But on saying that they may have, and the solution could be a very bitter pill which they dare not introduce. :hmm:

[jumpy]

I think that given the chance to do something better most young people will 'grow out' of dabbling with things like smoking weed or whatever. Like most things; once the novelty wears off they loose interest (thank god for mtv attention spans lol).

I do agree that this is not the case for a small group, who sadly go on to become addicts, as opposed to the habitual user who maintains their life and family alongside their indulgence. There will always be those who take it that bit further than everyone else- that relatively small minority that newspapers like the daily mail (eg) would have you believe are victims of the 'evil-gateway-to-the-hard-stuff-ganja' ...that it's the substances fault they became a smackhead and not their inability to control their own personality or circumstances to any real degree.

In 15 years I have seen a few people I know really well fall by the wayside and mess themselves up by becoming involved in the use of 'hard drugs'. No amount of reasoning to the contrary was able to influence them to move away from this end; they just had to have more, of everything all the time.

One of them woke up next to his girlfriend one morning to discover that she had od'd on the methadone he had got off one of his dodgy dealer mates. She'd been dead for about 4-5 hours apparently. Shame... if it were not for his (shall we say) 'condition' the poor girl, who had never touched anything stronger than a bacardi & coke until then, would still be alive today. I cannot imagine how the knowledge of his responsibility for that weighs upon him every day. That he avoided a custodial sentence for supplying a control substance resulting in the death of a young woman is equally heavy on his conscience. And on her family's too I would imagine.

The other had 5 heart attacks at the age of 22, during the early 'clubbing' years at the beginning of the ninties... he just loved those e's and charlie. Fortunately the only person he hurt was himself, if you could call that fortunate. The last I heard he had discharged himself from hospital after collapsing in the middle of the street and is now off that whole scene. For him it was never really an addiction as such, he just liked to party hard all the time.

And not forgetting my housemate when I was at university who lost all of his marbles after dropping acid one night. I still see him around occasionally. Even now almost ten years later he's still not the same bloke as he was before that night. Some folk will say that the drugs did it to him, and in a sense they're correct. But that's only half the story. He was no novice when it came to drugs but he wasn't some kind of raving fiend either. The root of his psychosis that the lsd unleashed was centred around his inability to reconcile his own ideas about life and belief and responsibility compared to his family's strict traditional standpoint on what should make a good Indian son "Why don't you become a doctor, like your elder brother?".

He was constantly being pulled in two different directions at once. Every time he would come home from visiting his parents he was withdrawn and quiet; a far cry from his usual exuberant, outgoing self. I guess something had to give eventually. Unfortunately for him and his friends and family it was his mind.

Apart from splitting up with a girl I was totally in love with, watching my friend die and cease to be the man he was and yet still remain walking around like some kind of dreadful, hideous simulacrum, was the most painful thing I have ever had to witness.
His story is markedly different than the previous two in that he was just a normal guy just like the rest of us, with no compulsive or excessive habits. Indeed my saddest recollection was watching his cogent mind disassemble itself in a matter of hours into something totally unrecognisable, to us his friends, and more poignantly, himself. That he seemed to be somehow aware of what was happening to him and yet be unable to escape his dissolution (it's the only word that truly fits what happened to his personality) was especially chilling to see.


I guess we all take our chances one way or another. But in the case of people who use drugs, the recipe for disaster can be summed up as follows:

"There are three factors to take into account when you do drugs- Who you are, Where you are, and what the ******* you're taking" - Howard Marks.

[bookworm_020]

I don't smoke, legal or illegel substances. I prefer to keep my lungs as intact as possible and the couple of brain cells that I have going as long as I can.

Why don't that make it a requirment for smokers to get a licence??

One youth party here in Australia (young liberals) want's to allow tabacco ad's! I think they've been smoking the wacky tabacky!!

[Rose]

I think that given the chance to do something better most young people will 'grow out' of dabbling with things like smoking weed or whatever. Like most things; once the novelty wears off they loose interest (thank god for mtv attention spans lol).

I do agree that this is not the case for a small group, who sadly go on to become addicts, as opposed to the habitual user who maintains their life and family alongside their indulgence. There will always be those who take it that bit further than everyone else- that relatively small minority that newspapers like the daily mail (eg) would have you believe are victims of the 'evil-gateway-to-the-hard-stuff-ganja' ...that it's the substances fault they became a smackhead and not their inability to control their own personality or circumstances to any real degree.

In 15 years I have seen a few people I know really well fall by the wayside and mess themselves up by becoming involved in the use of 'hard drugs'. No amount of reasoning to the contrary was able to influence them to move away from this end; they just had to have more, of everything all the time.

One of them woke up next to his girlfriend one morning to discover that she had od'd on the methadone he had got off one of his dodgy dealer mates. She'd been dead for about 4-5 hours apparently. Shame... if it were not for his (shall we say) 'condition' the poor girl, who had never touched anything stronger than a bacardi & coke until then, would still be alive today. I cannot imagine how the knowledge of his responsibility for that weighs upon him every day. That he avoided a custodial sentence for supplying a control substance resulting in the death of a young woman is equally heavy on his conscience. And on her family's too I would imagine.

The other had 5 heart attacks at the age of 22, during the early 'clubbing' years at the beginning of the ninties... he just loved those e's and charlie. Fortunately the only person he hurt was himself, if you could call that fortunate. The last I heard he had discharged himself from hospital after collapsing in the middle of the street and is now off that whole scene. For him it was never really an addiction as such, he just liked to party hard all the time.

And not forgetting my housemate when I was at university who lost all of his marbles after dropping acid one night. I still see him around occasionally. Even now almost ten years later he's still not the same bloke as he was before that night. Some folk will say that the drugs did it to him, and in a sense they're correct. But that's only half the story. He was no novice when it came to drugs but he wasn't some kind of raving fiend either. The root of his psychosis that the lsd unleashed was centred around his inability to reconcile his own ideas about life and belief and responsibility compared to his family's strict traditional standpoint on what should make a good Indian son "Why don't you become a doctor, like your elder brother?".

He was constantly being pulled in two different directions at once. Every time he would come home from visiting his parents he was withdrawn and quiet; a far cry from his usual exuberant, outgoing self. I guess something had to give eventually. Unfortunately for him and his friends and family it was his mind.

Apart from splitting up with a girl I was totally in love with, watching my friend die and cease to be the man he was and yet still remain walking around like some kind of dreadful, hideous simulacrum, was the most painful thing I have ever had to witness.
His story is markedly different than the previous two in that he was just a normal guy just like the rest of us, with no compulsive or excessive habits. Indeed my saddest recollection was watching his cogent mind disassemble itself in a matter of hours into something totally unrecognisable, to us his friends, and more poignantly, himself. That he seemed to be somehow aware of what was happening to him and yet be unable to escape his dissolution (it's the only word that truly fits what happened to his personality) was especially chilling to see.


I guess we all take our chances one way or another. But in the case of people who use drugs, the recipe for disaster can be summed up as follows:

"There are three factors to take into account when you do drugs- Who you are, Where you are, and what the ******* you're taking" - Howard Marks.

Damn.