Is SHIII + GWX What Stock SHIII Should Have Been in the First Place?

Iron Budokan · 12-30-06, 09:05 PM

I'm not knocking stock SHIII at all. I think it was a fastastic sim when it came out and still do. It has set the bar for any and all subsequent subsims and yeah, like it or not, SHIV is going to have to meet or exceed that expectation. That's reality both in a gaming sense and a business sense.

But the original game had problems (both buggy and otherwise) which all of us know about and which has been thoroughly documented. It appears GWX addressed a lot of these concerns. But now with GWX do we finally have the game SHIII should have been when released in the first place?

And now that we have GWX, does the mod lessen the historical impact SHIII had when it first appeared on the shelves?

I'm curious to know what you guys think.

GT182 · 12-30-06, 09:20 PM

IMHO and only my opinion.... yes. SHIII with GWX has what they did not deliver, and for whatever reason that was.. As with most games the publisher rules when a game is to hit the market, whether it's finished or not. That's also the reason for patches, to fix errors not seen until a game is played by the masses. And unfortunately SHIII never got the 5th patch it needed. To me GWX is part 5th patch and expansion pack for SHIII. The same could be said for RUB and NYGM mods for SHIII. It just depends on what you see that these mods have accomplished. Which to me is a great deal of things corrected and improved upon for game play and eyecandy of course.

Tigrone · 12-31-06, 03:17 AM

Acceptable is an important word. SH3 had a great basis and concept but was incomplete and not properly tested. Do you remember the great black obelisk and partical spray nonsense? And too, it's programmers were too action game focused and did not realize that people would play it for hours, not just minutes, and often in near real time. GWX completes what they left unfinished. It is a great compliment and gift to us, the ordinary players, that The Captain and his crew at GWX put so much into making it right. SH3 out of the box was not acceptable, but at least it learned from the fatal failures of SH2 and had a dynamic core that could be made to work.

Thank you Grey Wolves, IUB, NYGM and all the amazing combined work of skinners and modders that presented us with such enhancements to the game.

Paajtor · 12-31-06, 04:26 AM

I disagree, because of one main feature that is still missing.

GWX didn't add or fix what SH3 should have had, which are wolve-packs.
I'm not talking multiplayer, which gives some sort of feeling of being in wolve-pack, but single-player off course...in a fully dynamic campaign.

But I always loved SH3, and do so even more with the incredible GWX-mod!

TarJak · 12-31-06, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paajtor

I disagree, because of one main feature that is still missing.

GWX didn't add or fix what SH3 should have had, which are wolve-packs.
I'm not talking multiplayer, which gives some sort of feeling of being in wolve-pack, but single-player off course...in a fully dynamic campaign.

But I always loved SH3, and do so even more with the incredible GWX-mod!

Not quite right to say that GWX has no wolf packs. There are other U-boats and they come when you call and they do attack. The problem is that there is no AI torpedo which means they attack on the surface with deck guns.

Jimbuna · 12-31-06, 05:30 AM

Can't disagree with you people here but I think GT is right on the money with his viewpoint

SH3 was def 'half baked' but thanks to a small group of modders the game has been improved to such a high standard I only hope the devs of SH4 take stock and notice how this community (and many others) can thrive given the right product.

So to all you mod teams out there..and in particular the Kpt. and GWX team...I leave you with these immortal words from Old Winston himself..."Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few"

Mines a pint

Salute

12-30-06, 09:05 PM	#1
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Is SHIII + GWX What Stock SHIII Should Have Been in the First Place? I'm not knocking stock SHIII at all. I think it was a fastastic sim when it came out and still do. It has set the bar for any and all subsequent subsims and yeah, like it or not, SHIV is going to have to meet or exceed that expectation. That's reality both in a gaming sense and a business sense. But the original game had problems (both buggy and otherwise) which all of us know about and which has been thoroughly documented. It appears GWX addressed a lot of these concerns. But now with GWX do we finally have the game SHIII should have been when released in the first place? And now that we have GWX, does the mod lessen the historical impact SHIII had when it first appeared on the shelves? I'm curious to know what you guys think. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

12-30-06, 09:20 PM	#2
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	IMHO and only my opinion.... yes. SHIII with GWX has what they did not deliver, and for whatever reason that was.. As with most games the publisher rules when a game is to hit the market, whether it's finished or not. That's also the reason for patches, to fix errors not seen until a game is played by the masses. And unfortunately SHIII never got the 5th patch it needed. To me GWX is part 5th patch and expansion pack for SHIII. The same could be said for RUB and NYGM mods for SHIII. It just depends on what you see that these mods have accomplished. Which to me is a great deal of things corrected and improved upon for game play and eyecandy of course. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

12-31-06, 03:17 AM	#3
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Yes, SH3+GWX is acceptable. Acceptable is an important word. SH3 had a great basis and concept but was incomplete and not properly tested. Do you remember the great black obelisk and partical spray nonsense? And too, it's programmers were too action game focused and did not realize that people would play it for hours, not just minutes, and often in near real time. GWX completes what they left unfinished. It is a great compliment and gift to us, the ordinary players, that The Captain and his crew at GWX put so much into making it right. SH3 out of the box was not acceptable, but at least it learned from the fatal failures of SH2 and had a dynamic core that could be made to work. Thank you Grey Wolves, IUB, NYGM and all the amazing combined work of skinners and modders that presented us with such enhancements to the game. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

12-31-06, 04:26 AM	#4
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I disagree, because of one main feature that is still missing. GWX didn't add or fix what SH3 should have had, which are wolve-packs. I'm not talking multiplayer, which gives some sort of feeling of being in wolve-pack, but single-player off course...in a fully dynamic campaign. But I always loved SH3, and do so even more with the incredible GWX-mod! __________________

12-31-06, 05:30 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Can't disagree with you people here but I think GT is right on the money with his viewpoint SH3 was def 'half baked' but thanks to a small group of modders the game has been improved to such a high standard I only hope the devs of SH4 take stock and notice how this community (and many others) can thrive given the right product. So to all you mod teams out there..and in particular the Kpt. and GWX team...I leave you with these immortal words from Old Winston himself..."Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few" Mines a pint Salute __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!