GWX: Should I attack in this situation?

spork542 · 12-23-06, 11:20 PM

There is a convoy approaching and I'm north of Scapa, but there is only 88 meters below my keel and I have no BOLDs. Should I bother? I hear escorts are incredibly smart in GWX, but I don't like the idea of letting a large convoy go. It's April of 1941.

Letum · 12-23-06, 11:27 PM

Check out the convoy, how many escorts?
Whats the weather like? Its easy to slip away in a noisy storm.

If you are going to attack are you using type I or type II torps? If you are using Typ eI you have the advantage of range.
How good is your TDC? are you using manual? If so can you hit a ship at 3km?

Most importantly: can you attack at night or follow the convoy until night?

spork542 · 12-23-06, 11:36 PM

I use auto targeting. The weather is clear with 2ms winds. I have not spotted the convoy yet and I have a mix of T1 and T2 torpedoes. It will be about 0430 when I get to the convoy.

Edit: There are also 3-5 escorts. I'm probably going to forfeit the attack.

Letum · 12-23-06, 11:43 PM

yer, personally I wouldn't risk it.
If things go tits-up your bugged.
If I had to attack i would need all TI torpedoes and I would need to shadow the convoy until the next night to make a long range surface attack. with only 88m of water your best hope is to escape fast on the surface.
however, like you said, I wouldn't risk it. Theres more fish in the sea.

rik007 · 12-24-06, 06:15 AM

I have been slaughtered there when I torpedoed a lonely freighter and toke my time to watch her sinking. I neglected the warning that a warship was approaching fast. When she was on top of me another one joined. No way to survive that even in 1940.

NightCrawler · 12-24-06, 08:55 AM

In 1939 Escorts are amatures, i had a mission and i sneak/pass a DD and took a BB out...
About the Depth 88? just park ya Uboot on the bottom and shut off the engine and wait(do this only when Escort/DD bothering you)...

Good luck

Audie · 12-24-06, 11:14 AM

Boy, that's a toughy...

Being that it's 1941 I would be inclined to attack.
My strategy would be to stalk the convoy at 3 km
or more, set up a shot toward the front of the convoy,
take it, and then launch a salvo toward the rear. I would
then slink away post haste. The key is the range.

I would also use every bit of the 88 meters available

Jimbuna · 12-24-06, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audie

Boy, that's a toughy...

Being that it's 1941 I would be inclined to attack.
My strategy would be to stalk the convoy at 3 km
or more, set up a shot toward the front of the convoy,
take it, and then launch a salvo toward the rear. I would
then slink away post haste. The key is the range.

I would also use every bit of the 88 meters available

Your def a gambler me is thinking lol....beware...if they get a sniff of you 88metres aint much of a pond to hide in

12-25-06, 01:33 PM

See if you can use the remaining night to position your self out in front of the CV and about 1500-2000meters to one side of the lead escort (usualy one sails in front marking the center of the CV nicely.

If your patient stay in that position stalking untill the next nightfall.

For the attack i would go into the convoys outer and nextouter lane and shoot at the center lanes. Then i'd submerge to about 20 meters and try to dissappear to the side im placed in. Fire 4 torpedoes from the front - turn for about 125 deg. and shoot the rear torpedo (roughly the escape axis as well). when your out of the convoy and at about 2000-2500 meters from the nearest DD's (dark clouded night) surface and step on the pedal utill your at about 7000 meters (or what ever your visual range is) then setup another stalking/overtake/attack procedure.

To me it seems that DD's will have a harder time to pick you up near the surface, even decks awash sometimes works better for me then submerged. Had a DD pass me at roughly 100 meters the other day - never saw me (mind i never saw him either as i was watching a shot at a target on the other side. I had not noticed that DD prior to shooting

). I was totally baffled with that he never noticed me

What ever you decide remember Section I. D # 79 in the U-boat Commander's Handbook

"If operations are carried out at depth of 20m and less, the loss of the submarine must be reckoned with, once it has been detected. But in such cases also, as has been demonstrated by the experience gained in wartime, difficult situations due to pursuit by the enemy may well be mastered, if the commander acts cleverly and coolly, and the crew remains steadfast. (U9 in the spring of 1940, U123 and U333 in the spring of 1942)"

FongFongFong · 12-25-06, 02:00 PM

1941 ok
remember slow speeds and silent running.
and somehow the DDs seem somewhat deef if you are near the surface.

peterloo · 12-25-06, 10:13 PM

If I were u, I WILL

Attacking convoy is your DUTY and what you are supposed to DO

Even you may DIE, this is your responsibility to attack

88m, for me, is already enough for escaping

Yes, the DDs are smart, but so what? You can sink 'em all before you can sink you (esp. for Type IX/VII)

12-23-06, 11:20 PM	#1
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	GWX: Should I attack in this situation? There is a convoy approaching and I'm north of Scapa, but there is only 88 meters below my keel and I have no BOLDs. Should I bother? I hear escorts are incredibly smart in GWX, but I don't like the idea of letting a large convoy go. It's April of 1941. __________________

12-23-06, 11:27 PM	#2
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Check out the convoy, how many escorts? Whats the weather like? Its easy to slip away in a noisy storm. If you are going to attack are you using type I or type II torps? If you are using Typ eI you have the advantage of range. How good is your TDC? are you using manual? If so can you hit a ship at 3km? Most importantly: can you attack at night or follow the convoy until night? __________________

12-23-06, 11:36 PM	#3
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I use auto targeting. The weather is clear with 2ms winds. I have not spotted the convoy yet and I have a mix of T1 and T2 torpedoes. It will be about 0430 when I get to the convoy. Edit: There are also 3-5 escorts. I'm probably going to forfeit the attack. __________________

12-23-06, 11:43 PM	#4
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	yer, personally I wouldn't risk it. If things go tits-up your bugged. If I had to attack i would need all TI torpedoes and I would need to shadow the convoy until the next night to make a long range surface attack. with only 88m of water your best hope is to escape fast on the surface. however, like you said, I wouldn't risk it. Theres more fish in the sea. __________________

12-24-06, 08:55 AM	#6
NightCrawler Engineer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: FLA USA Posts: 217 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Rig silence is the key In 1939 Escorts are amatures, i had a mission and i sneak/pass a DD and took a BB out... About the Depth 88? just park ya Uboot on the bottom and shut off the engine and wait(do this only when Escort/DD bothering you)... Good luck

12-24-06, 06:15 AM	#5
rik007 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 785 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	I have been slaughtered there when I torpedoed a lonely freighter and toke my time to watch her sinking. I neglected the warning that a warship was approaching fast. When she was on top of me another one joined. No way to survive that even in 1940.

12-24-06, 11:14 AM	#7
Audie GMM2(SW) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Crown Point, Indiana USA Posts: 67 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Boy, that's a toughy... Being that it's 1941 I would be inclined to attack. My strategy would be to stalk the convoy at 3 km or more, set up a shot toward the front of the convoy, take it, and then launch a salvo toward the rear. I would then slink away post haste. The key is the range. I would also use every bit of the 88 meters available __________________

12-25-06, 01:33 PM	#9
Mav87th Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	See if you can use the remaining night to position your self out in front of the CV and about 1500-2000meters to one side of the lead escort (usualy one sails in front marking the center of the CV nicely. If your patient stay in that position stalking untill the next nightfall. For the attack i would go into the convoys outer and nextouter lane and shoot at the center lanes. Then i'd submerge to about 20 meters and try to dissappear to the side im placed in. Fire 4 torpedoes from the front - turn for about 125 deg. and shoot the rear torpedo (roughly the escape axis as well). when your out of the convoy and at about 2000-2500 meters from the nearest DD's (dark clouded night) surface and step on the pedal utill your at about 7000 meters (or what ever your visual range is) then setup another stalking/overtake/attack procedure. To me it seems that DD's will have a harder time to pick you up near the surface, even decks awash sometimes works better for me then submerged. Had a DD pass me at roughly 100 meters the other day - never saw me (mind i never saw him either as i was watching a shot at a target on the other side. I had not noticed that DD prior to shooting ). I was totally baffled with that he never noticed me What ever you decide remember Section I. D # 79 in the U-boat Commander's Handbook "If operations are carried out at depth of 20m and less, the loss of the submarine must be reckoned with, once it has been detected. But in such cases also, as has been demonstrated by the experience gained in wartime, difficult situations due to pursuit by the enemy may well be mastered, if the commander acts cleverly and coolly, and the crew remains steadfast. (U9 in the spring of 1940, U123 and U333 in the spring of 1942)"

12-25-06, 02:00 PM	#10
FongFongFong Bosun Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	1941 ok remember slow speeds and silent running. and somehow the DDs seem somewhat deef if you are near the surface.

12-25-06, 10:13 PM	#11
peterloo Commander Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 462 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	If I were u, I WILL Attacking convoy is your DUTY and what you are supposed to DO Even you may DIE, this is your responsibility to attack 88m, for me, is already enough for escaping Yes, the DDs are smart, but so what? You can sink 'em all before you can sink you (esp. for Type IX/VII) __________________ Romeo is here, but where is Juliet? The 中国水兵 (Chinese Sailor) in subsim