help with GWX destroyers

Joaoperru · 12-22-06, 10:15 AM

Hi there to you all!

I'm playing with GWX for some days now... and today happened this:

I was sailing in Biscay bay when i spotted 2 merchants... after a while even a DD came up. At 8000 m the DD started chasing me.
After some fighting/fleeing it finished its depth charges but continued chasing me even if i reached 180 m of depth and kept them for some hours...
The DD didn't "ping" me at all and i was sailing with my "rig for silent running" on.
I changed direction 4-5 times but nothing. reached 200 m... nothing: he was always above me... so i gave up. really annoying.
So: no chance of escaping in my opinion, unless you have the sonar buoy? (it was 1941 so wasn't possible yet).

Another thing:
How do you manage a convoy of 2 ships and 1 DD, 11k away in clear weather at noon with calm winds and sea? If i dive cannot reach them, if i go nearer they spot me. Just wait for the night to attack?
Any help would be gratly appreciated.

codmander · 12-22-06, 10:23 AM

i have many even convoys that not being in the right position is like forget it late war/daylight better off looking for easyier game

CWorth · 12-22-06, 11:01 AM

This is where your hydrophones come in handy.

What I will do is plot a course running just outside of their view and parallel to their course.I will then run on the surface at flank speed to get ahead of them.All the while making a quick dive to periscope depth and checking the hydrophones to get a position to make sure I am still on course.

After I get to what I think is a good position ahead I will turn and head onto an intercept course and dive to periscope depth and go silent and wait for them.This has worked for me 95% of the time.

bigboywooly · 12-22-06, 11:07 AM

Try reducing your speed to 1kt when silent running
That usually helps you get away

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 11:48 AM

It is over for the arcadish destroyers. It is time for the big boys that GWX has provided. One has to remember that not all u-boats could evade the warships not matter what they did. Welcome to reality!

Paajtor · 12-22-06, 11:55 AM

1kts is correct....it helped me escaping a DD, who kept on chasing me long after the convoy continued it's course.
You can try 2kts, and if you're using the stealth-meter, you can see whether it's safe to do so.
It wasn't, in my case. :p

I went to 245m, and manned the hydrophone myself.
I kept on changing our course, to keep him at our stern (=smallest profile, while still sneaking away, allthough it's on a very low speed).
When I heard him dumping depthcharges - and revving up his engines - I increased speed to 3kts, made a hook to L or R, and went back to 1kts...eventually changing depth by 20-40m as well.
After 3hrs - all in realtime - I had managed to loose him.

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-06, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paajtor

1kts is correct....it helped me escaping a DD, who kept on chasing me long after the convoy continued it's course.
You can try 2kts, and if you're using the stealth-meter, you can see whether it's safe to do so.
It wasn't, in my case. :p

I went to 245m, and manned the hydrophone myself.
I kept on changing our course, to keep him at our stern (=smallest profile, while still sneaking away, allthough it's on a very low speed).
When I heard him dumping depthcharges - and revving up his engines - I increased speed to 3kts, made a hook to L or R, and went back to 1kts...eventually changing depth by 20-40m as well.
After 3hrs - all in realtime - I had managed to loose him.

Excellent man! I hope others read this because there has been some complaints of the destroyers being too good. Hog wash in my view. Furthermore, the hooks you made to the right or left, you can ask the engineer to do this for you. I seems some have forgotten these buttons because evading was so easy before. Nice post dude

The arcade destroyers are gone! Thanks for the reality check GWX!

Jimbuna · 12-22-06, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paajtor

1kts is correct....it helped me escaping a DD, who kept on chasing me long after the convoy continued it's course.
You can try 2kts, and if you're using the stealth-meter, you can see whether it's safe to do so.
It wasn't, in my case. :p

I went to 245m, and manned the hydrophone myself.
I kept on changing our course, to keep him at our stern (=smallest profile, while still sneaking away, allthough it's on a very low speed).
When I heard him dumping depthcharges - and revving up his engines - I increased speed to 3kts, made a hook to L or R, and went back to 1kts...eventually changing depth by 20-40m as well.
After 3hrs - all in realtime - I had managed to loose him.

Bravo

...absolutely spot on

...there's a lot people can learn from this

JCWolf · 12-22-06, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joaoperru

Hi there to you all!

I'm playing with GWX for some days now... and today happened this:

I was sailing in Biscay bay when i spotted 2 merchants... after a while even a DD came up. At 8000 m the DD started chasing me.
After some fighting/fleeing it finished its depth charges but continued chasing me even if i reached 180 m of depth and kept them for some hours...
The DD didn't "ping" me at all and i was sailing with my "rig for silent running" on.
I changed direction 4-5 times but nothing. reached 200 m... nothing: he was always above me... so i gave up. really annoying.
So: no chance of escaping in my opinion, unless you have the sonar buoy? (it was 1941 so wasn't possible yet).

Another thing:
How do you manage a convoy of 2 ships and 1 DD, 11k away in clear weather at noon with calm winds and sea? If i dive cannot reach them, if i go nearer they spot me. Just wait for the night to attack?
Any help would be gratly appreciated.

Ola tu es Portugues???

Se sim depois ajudo-te a entender a tactica para sair,
do ataque dos navios escolta...

ReallyDedPoet · 12-22-06, 01:32 PM

They are tough. I got the crap beat out of me last night by three destroyers, but in reality I should have looked for easier prey, snuck away. The neat thing about the mission is that I was playing to that point at 256TC ( before coming upon a convoy ) and came across my first airplane, awsome.

Safe-Keeper · 12-22-06, 02:30 PM

Destroyers are evil. Airplanes are even worse.

I don't even consider fighting it out with destroyers or airplanes now when I encounter them during patrols. When an enemy plane is spotted, I just dive and hope it hasn't spotted me.

The British have stopped making mistakes...

andy_311 · 12-22-06, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Destroyers are evil. Airplanes are even worse.

I don't even consider fighting it out with destroyers or airplanes now when I encounter them during patrols. When an enemy plane is spotted, I just dive and hope it hasn't spotted me.

The British have stopped making mistakes...

Tangled with some planes today SE of Iceland shot down an Anson then came along 2 beufighters and took out my flack crew and my AA guns am not playing with those guy anymore,changed my options so when a plane is spotted I crash dive from now on.

Vermin · 12-22-06, 09:43 PM

Remember you can run with decks awash - which helps you get a bit closer, and if you want to make a long range attack, use the old steam powered torpedoes - they have a range of 12.5km on slow - just make sure the track will not pass too close to any other escort/ship or when they see the wake they will all evade before the torpedo hits.

Corsair · 12-22-06, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joaoperru

Another thing:
How do you manage a convoy of 2 ships and 1 DD, 11k away in clear weather at noon with calm winds and sea? If i dive cannot reach them, if i go nearer they spot me. Just wait for the night to attack?
Any help would be gratly appreciated.

Definitely would plan for a night intercept...

By calm weather I don't even try anymore during the day...

12-22-06, 10:15 AM	#1
Joaoperru Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 57 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	help with GWX destroyers Hi there to you all! I'm playing with GWX for some days now... and today happened this: I was sailing in Biscay bay when i spotted 2 merchants... after a while even a DD came up. At 8000 m the DD started chasing me. After some fighting/fleeing it finished its depth charges but continued chasing me even if i reached 180 m of depth and kept them for some hours... The DD didn't "ping" me at all and i was sailing with my "rig for silent running" on. I changed direction 4-5 times but nothing. reached 200 m... nothing: he was always above me... so i gave up. really annoying. So: no chance of escaping in my opinion, unless you have the sonar buoy? (it was 1941 so wasn't possible yet). Another thing: How do you manage a convoy of 2 ships and 1 DD, 11k away in clear weather at noon with calm winds and sea? If i dive cannot reach them, if i go nearer they spot me. Just wait for the night to attack? Any help would be gratly appreciated.

12-22-06, 11:07 AM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Try reducing your speed to 1kt when silent running That usually helps you get away __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

12-22-06, 11:48 AM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It is over for the arcadish destroyers. It is time for the big boys that GWX has provided. One has to remember that not all u-boats could evade the warships not matter what they did. Welcome to reality! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-22-06, 11:55 AM	#6
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	1kts is correct....it helped me escaping a DD, who kept on chasing me long after the convoy continued it's course. You can try 2kts, and if you're using the stealth-meter, you can see whether it's safe to do so. It wasn't, in my case. :p I went to 245m, and manned the hydrophone myself. I kept on changing our course, to keep him at our stern (=smallest profile, while still sneaking away, allthough it's on a very low speed). When I heard him dumping depthcharges - and revving up his engines - I increased speed to 3kts, made a hook to L or R, and went back to 1kts...eventually changing depth by 20-40m as well. After 3hrs - all in realtime - I had managed to loose him. __________________

12-22-06, 01:32 PM	#10
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,885 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	They are tough. I got the crap beat out of me last night by three destroyers, but in reality I should have looked for easier prey, snuck away. The neat thing about the mission is that I was playing to that point at 256TC ( before coming upon a convoy ) and came across my first airplane, awsome. __________________ Back in the Day

12-22-06, 10:23 AM	#2
codmander Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cape cod mass. Posts: 678 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	i have many even convoys that not being in the right position is like forget it late war/daylight better off looking for easyier game

12-22-06, 11:01 AM	#3
CWorth Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gettysburg PA Posts: 845 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is where your hydrophones come in handy. What I will do is plot a course running just outside of their view and parallel to their course.I will then run on the surface at flank speed to get ahead of them.All the while making a quick dive to periscope depth and checking the hydrophones to get a position to make sure I am still on course. After I get to what I think is a good position ahead I will turn and head onto an intercept course and dive to periscope depth and go silent and wait for them.This has worked for me 95% of the time.

12-22-06, 02:30 PM	#11
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Destroyers are evil. Airplanes are even worse. I don't even consider fighting it out with destroyers or airplanes now when I encounter them during patrols. When an enemy plane is spotted, I just dive and hope it hasn't spotted me. The British have stopped making mistakes... __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

12-22-06, 09:43 PM	#13
Vermin Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 106 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Remember you can run with decks awash - which helps you get a bit closer, and if you want to make a long range attack, use the old steam powered torpedoes - they have a range of 12.5km on slow - just make sure the track will not pass too close to any other escort/ship or when they see the wake they will all evade before the torpedo hits.