Britain's frantic rush towards a fully fledged surveillance society

[STEED]

Why are people in England want the ID card I ask? These people are willing to give up there freedom for security, which is better known as slavery. Yes as soon as I get my ID card and the RFID I will be safe, what a lode of rubbish that thinking will bring about the end of democracy and freedom.

As far as I am concerned the present Labour Government under the leadership of Tony Blair has crossed the line, the police can arrest you for anything and Tony Blair believes he has the right to force us to carry the ID Card. I here five centres are ready to take your info and more are on the way. I will never carry the ID card; I reject the database state and its Big Brother 1984.


Surveillance is really getting under my skin

Reject the database state.

[KevinB]

Ditto STEED I will never carry an ID card. I would rather go to prison along with thousands of others who will repel this repressive regime.
The other thing that worries me about the under the skin implants that can track is is I have heard of parent in the USA lining up to have their children microchipped.

Ever heard of Gary McKinnon? He hacked into the (I think NSA database) and saw pictures of UFOs and other things not of this earth. Learning this from a hacker's handbook as well.

The spooks also use ECHELON and PROMIS to read our emails and listen to our conversations. No doubt they even read this forum!

[kiwi_2005]

ID card? oh thats what your sig is about

Is this card compulsory or can you choose to have it or not?

Im asking cause if it happens in your country no doubt we will follow we seem to copy what you brits do. All i know is their be alot of blackmarket cards coming out if it happend here.

[The Noob]

I say no to id card and i say no to microchips. If they want to force this on my, they can royally suck my @&$%/§!

We need another Revolution.

[The Avon Lady]

I have no problems with an ID card. In Israel, everyone carries them. No problem. I think the phobia against them is just that - a phobia.

RFID chips that can be used for tracking are a definite no-no, however.

[STEED]

Tony Blair is lying to all of us, there are no benefits too the ID card what so ever, this card will take us one step nearer too slavery. You only got too look around you now the police have the power too arrest you without question, spy cameras are all over the place and the Government is slowly taking your freedom away from you. And all this is done in the name of democracy!

Sorry no, this is the act of an government that has crossed the line. Have they forgotten they work for us we are the one's who voted them in. What gives them the right to change the rules? Anyone caught shouting out “we are living in a police state” outside the House of Commons is soon arrested, so much for freedom of speech.

The ID card is a form of control and that control is your information which will be stored on a database which will mark the end of your privacy and freedom. And don't forget the cost of this card which you will have too paid for.

Why any of us should be forced to give the state information about ourselves? This information will be stored onto a National Identity Register resulting in the creation of a National Identity Register Number for all of us.

This database will not be secure due too the fact some 400,000 civil servants won there case in the high court this year to view personnel details about you and I.

The whole system is open to abuse by the very people we vote for. I believe in freedom of speech and democracy but all of this is slowly being swept away by the state. You have the power too bring this to an end it's your choice freedom or slavery, democracy or dictatorship.

[jumpy]

There was a guy on R4 this morning talking to John Humphrey's about all of this:

Car registration plate recognition speed cameras - keep your registration on file for 3 months after you are 'snapped'.

London underground tracks your movements on a certain ticket (you have name + address to get one) and lists your address and travel movements, kept information about these things for 2-3 months and is available on demand by police.

National ID cards - will be logged everytime your ID is checked - who, when, where, how many times etc this information is kept on record permanently...

let me see now Mr Jumpy, you've been tagged as being 'checked' 5 times more than what we consider to be 'normal inspection usage time' would you care to explain why? and with no satisfactory explanation, the Nu-Stazi Blairforce will be keeping tabs on me with 'monitors' recording my every movement and detail.
Sounds a bit over the top, but little steps do great mistakes start, I for one am not looking forwards to this, especially when Blair is saying things in public like all children should be tagged and have their DNA/biometric stuff taken at birth.
If I ever have kids, I'll be very suspicious about any tests the hospital take, for such a natinoal DNA database to succeed then hospitals would have to be complicit in the collation of samples for the register.




^ says it all lol

[XabbaRus]

It's not really the ID card but what the govt can di with them Avon.

Every little detail of your life will be on it tobe accessed by god knows what civil servant in the uk.

I fully agree with Steed here. The laugh of it is if they introduce ID cards here I might go back to Russia.....

I don't get it. Most polls I have seen are against the cards, the cost os way too high but labour are obsessed with it.

FWIU the polic wuold have the powers to stop you on the street and make you produce our ID. I don't have to prove to anyone who I am just walking down the street.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

It's not really the ID card but what the govt can di with them Avon.

Every little detail of your life will be on it tobe accessed by god knows what civil servant in the uk.

NOTE: Israeli ID cards are not magnetic or electronic at all. No barcode either. Just a legal ID card with name, pic, birthdate, town of residence, etc. Obviously quite unintrusive compared to what I now understand is being planned in the UK.

[STEED]

Yes the British ID card will be a lot different from your bulk standard card and this card is a violation of my freedom and rights from my point of view. When I'm in prison along with the rest of the country who can see though the government lies just like to remind those of you who see this card as a good thing, you will have to carry it on you all the time, you can not use the old excuse "Sorry I left it at home" that will not work on the police as they give you a on the spot penalty some where up to £200.

I think if Labour win the next election and it looks like they will, this ID card will be top of there list. So watch out.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

NOTE: Israeli ID cards are not magnetic or electronic at all. No barcode either. Just a legal ID card with name, pic, birthdate, town of residence, etc. Obviously quite unintrusive compared to what I now understand is being planned in the UK.

Nope. Your "phobia" theory only stands if we ignore the most fundamental fact: Israel actually needs to identify people and stop them at the checkpoints. We have to make concessions in times of war, no wonder that dictators like unnecessary wars so much.

While there are a few thousand (dozens of thousand?) subversive elements seeking to blow and murder people up in Britain, this number isn't high enough to justify tagging millions of innocent Brits with more than their name. If it were affordable the card would even have their DNA on it.

This entire thing is inverted. Have you all forgotten that the government serves you and not the other way around? Who the hell does this little elite thinks they are to tag you like cattle? It's the politicians who should get an implant under their skin, especially if it had a voice recorder so that they can't practice any corruption without the rest of us knowing. They should also be forced to wear glasses with a camera so that we know where they go and what they do at all times. A politician with horrible eating habits will be demoralized if he proposes or agrees with voting on food regulations for example.

Reverse it. Tag the politicians.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by STEED

Yes the British ID card will be a lot different from your bulk standard card and this card is a violation of my freedom and rights from my point of view. When I'm in prison along with the rest of the country who can see though the government lies just like to remind those of you who see this card as a good thing, you will have to carry it on you all the time, you can not use the old excuse "Sorry I left it at home" that will not work on the police as they give you a on the spot penalty some where up to £200.

I think if Labour win the next election and it looks like they will, this ID card will be top of there list. So watch out.

If you've got nothing to hide why would you be worried about the introduction of ID cards? I do agree that we shouldn't have to pay for them but in principle I have no objection.

I don't think Labour have got the next election in the bag yet.

Nemo

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

If you've got nothing to hide why would you be worried about the introduction of ID cards?
Nemo

I got nothing to hide, I object to the Government Database state this country is becoming, as for the ID card as I said it's not your bulk standard ID card.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by STEED

I got nothing to hide, I object to the Government Database state this country is becoming, as for the ID card as I said it's not your bulk standard ID card.

But information on us is already held on many government databases what difference is one more going to make? OK the card will carry a lot more information than just our photograph and name, so what. As I said earlier unless you wish to hide something or do something criminal what really do you have to worry about? BTW I don't agree with a £200 fine for not having the card on you and I don't think this will happen. Perhaps something like having to produce your ID card within seven days at a police station (much like when you are pulled over in a car by the police and don't have your drivers licence on you) will suffice. And at the end of the day what is the likelyhood of being stopped for your ID card? With police resources stretched as they are I'm sure they will have other things to contend with.

Nemo

[Sailor Steve]

The United States doesn't have a national ID card, but every state issues them. If you don't have a driver's license you can get a straight ID card. The good news is it's used when you need to prove who you are, and you don't have to carry it with you to identify yourself to the authorities. The cops sometimes think you do, but there have been several cases in which the courts have upheld citizens' rights to not have one.