US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Ok seriously this crosses some line for me where I do not see a reason to continue.

I just explicitly said that what he did already is enough for me to form a strong opinion about him and be genuinely convinced that he is a terrible person.
I do not need you, or anyone, telling me "no you actually feel this/that and your opinion is unjustified".
That's not only disrespectful and patronizing, it is defeating the purpose of exchanging opinions altogether.

Didn't come out exactly the way I meant it. So tell me, exactly what has he done so far?

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Didn't come out exactly the way I meant it. So tell me, exactly what has he done so far?

Did you follow what he said during the elections, and since he is in office?
If this isn't enough to know he should not be president I don't know what is.
For me, it has been enough long before November.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Wonder how Putin will react when the time comes for the US to bomb Iran...I mean, Iran is an arms market,

Easy peasy, just let "we the people" buy anything Iran can buy. Something like a BMP with a plow on the front end for trips to the city. lol

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Oh, and repealing the regulation to prevent people with severe mental illnesses from buying firearms...no way that can backfire, eh?

https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/...ty-disability/

I dunno, how did they do in the 80 odd years they were able to buy them before Obama took away their constitutional rights by imperial edict?

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Didn't come out exactly the way I meant it. So tell me, exactly what has he done so far?

Well, in your opinion he has done nothing,, then why are they rioting,,, God forbid someone gets killed,, I'm surprised that it hasn't happened yet,, if it does will you denounce the violence,, as I see it, if that does happen,, the left will be everything I said it was after all these years,, now wouldn't that be a pip ???
I don't recall us Tea Baggers,, rioting,, destroying private property,, or beating up people after 2 elections of Obama,, as much as you wanted us to ,, too claim the moral high ground

[yubba]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Easy peasy, just let "we the people" buy anything Iran can buy. lol

What Clocks ????

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Did you follow what he said during the elections, and since he is in office?
If this isn't enough to know he should not be president I don't know what is.
For me, it has been enough long before November.

Wait wait wait. Back up a little bit. In your last post you took offense because I said, and I quote:

Your judgment is based on what you are certain he's going to do, based on what he has said he will do.

You got angry and said:

I just explicitly said that what he did already is enough for me to form a strong opinion about him and be genuinely convinced that he is a terrible person.

So I ask what he did, and you reply that it's what he said before the election and since he's been in office. That's not me telling you what you said, it's what you actually said. Oh, and I never said your opinion is unjustified, or that you feel something you don't. What I said was that your hatred, but your own admission, is based on what he said, not on what he did. That's okay too, but you insist that it's what he did.

So I ask again, what has he actually done that's got you so worked up?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well, in your opinion he has done nothing,, then why are they rioting,,,

And now I have proof that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Did you even read the other comments related to my post? You are still laboring under the misapprehension that I'm a Liberal.

God forbid someone gets killed,, I'm surprised that it hasn't happened yet,, if it does will you denounce the violence,,

I've already denounced the violence. I think the people who are rioting are idiots. Did you not also read where I said I don't like Trump, but I also don't like Hillary? Did you not read my recent statement that I didn't vote for either of them?

as I see it, if that does happen,, the left will be everything I said it was after all these years,, now wouldn't that be a pip ???

Have you not read any of my recent posts? Do you always just assume that if someone says one thing you disagree with they therefore belong to the Other Side? I agree with you about the Left. I also agree with them about the Right. Both sides have their extremes, and both sides have people who are reasonable. Being locked firmly into one side or the other is the biggest problem this country has. Unless you can discuss the issues for themselves and try to reach some kind of compromise, you are part of the problem.

I don't recall us Tea Baggers,, rioting,, destroying private property,, or beating up people after 2 elections of Obama,, as much as you wanted us to ,, too claim the moral high ground

Again you accuse me of belonging to the side you don't like, without bothering to listen to what I actually say. I'm not any of the things you claim, but you are either unwilling or unable to see that.

Talk to me again when you've learned what "discussion" means.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Wait wait wait. Back up a little bit. In your last post you took offense because I said, and I quote:


You got angry and said:


So I ask what he did, and you reply that it's what he said before the election and since he's been in office. That's not me telling you what you said, it's what you actually said. Oh, and I never said your opinion is unjustified, or that you feel something you don't. What I said was that your hatred, but your own admission, is based on what he said, not on what he did. That's okay too, but you insist that it's what he did.

So I ask again, what has he actually done that's got you so worked up?

Why is it so difficult?

I took offense because instead of accepting that for some people what he IS is already enough to build an opinion, irrelevant to what he did or will do in the coming years, you simply claimed to know what I base my opinion on - despite me having said that clearly already. What's the point of this?

And what do you want to hear, what do you mean "What had he done?" isn't what he said and did over the last year enough already? Does there really need to be more even?
Where's the line when one's allowed to judge him in your opinion?

[eddie]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aussie land? Nice, remember to pack a shedload of sunscreen though, I hear it's already Nevada down there.

Oberon, if Trump goes on a tangent again about the crowds at his inauguration, we'll show him this picture,lol

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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Why is it so difficult?

I took offense because instead of accepting that for some people what he IS is already enough to build an opinion, irrelevant to what he did or will do in the coming years, you simply claimed to know what I base my opinion on - despite me having said that clearly already. What's the point of this?

I don't claim to know what you base your opinion on. You said he's done things that warrant the hatred he's received. When I ask what he's done you say it's not what he's done, it's what he said. That's fine, but what he said isn't necessarily what he's going to do. Politicians say things all the time, and end up doing far different things. So he hasn't done anything yet, but you hate him already.

And what do you want to hear, what do you mean "What had he done?" isn't what he said and did over the last year enough already? Does there really need to be more even?

I would think so. Judging someone before he's done anything, is known as pre-judging, aka prejudice.

Where's the line when one's allowed to judge him in your opinion?

There is no "allowed". Everybody gets to think and say what they want. I just question the concept of hating someone for what he's done when he hasn't actually done anything yet.

No, I don't like him either. My only argument was that "hate" is an awfully strong concept. He's not my first choice as President, or even my fourth. But hate? That needs a real reason.

Steve, one last time: He DID do enough already. Saying terrible things, from making false claims purposely, insulting other politicians due to their physical appearance, insulting EVERY SINGLE POW, making the wildest and most absurd racial slurs or talking about his daughter as if he wants to bed her - that is DOING something in my book and I'm sorry you, and others, don't give a damn and give this worthless scum a pass because "muh let's see!".

My whole point was and is him, his personality. People like that must not hold any sort of power as they betray everything our modern civilization should be. By accepting catastrophes like him, we commit an act of treason, we betray ourselves and we mark us hypocrites of the worst kind.

End of story for me.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

I dunno, how did they do in the 80 odd years they were able to buy them before Obama took away their constitutional rights by imperial edict?

Seriously though, there's no problem with giving someone with severe mental illnesses access to firearms? This doesn't strike anyone as being a bad idea? You don't think that they might shoot themselves or someone around them?


EDIT: Oh, and how about that Bowling Green massacre then? Gun violence must be so bad over there that they didn't even bother reporting it!

[Dowly]

[Oberon]

Still credit where it is due, thank you to the conservatives who joined with liberals to oppose HR621.