Need help with TMO difficulty!

Pagan_PL · 11-21-22, 04:43 PM

Hello guys!

This time I have another trouble. After learning how to hunt Dots on the map (

) Now I am confussed. This difficulty is unplayable for me - I mean the sub hunters and destroyers around the ports. There is no way I can runaway from them. No matter how and what ( the actual depth or silent runing) they ALWAYS seems to detect me. It is not fun. Even when storm is raging. Damn It is near impossible for me to sink the destroyer who is coming from left to right. My best solution - In the vanilla there was no need for that , but only solution is to avoid them by sticking near to the land and just stay out of their range - but as I said I hate that. They ALWAYS finds me.

Any advices , guys? It is great mod , but I am in despair and think about just dumping down the AI. Please advice!

Thank You.

Pagan_PL · 11-21-22, 05:23 PM

Ok Guys! I Just stopped the boat at long range and decided to observe. So that destroyer just HAD the course plotted near the port. My patience is rewarded by now. One hit from 4900 meters!

))

Still, If You have any hints for me it will be greatly appreciated!

propbeanie · 11-22-22, 09:31 AM

Don't raid harbors??... lol

Bubblehead1980 · 11-25-22, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Don't raid harbors??... lol

This lmao.

I did a lot of work to make harbor raiding in most cases a likely death trap between mines, nets, and patrol craft. Harbor raiding in most cases irritates me lol.

Armistead · 12-05-22, 09:58 PM

I can remember when I first started playing TMO how hard I thought it was. It's sort of a balance because the game has a lot of hardcoded stupidity that makes many aspects too easy, so TMO sort of made some aspects hard. However, once you understand how the AI works connected to numerous factors and to attack when factors are in your favor you can pretty much easily beat the AI as long as you don't make dumb mistakes. Course like most games you'll learn tricks or tactics to make it easier to beat the AI. Once you get use to it and still sinking 100k tons of shipping per patrol, you'll add more realism such as no contacts and cams and go for the full difficult experience.

propbeanie · 12-06-22, 01:39 PM

If you are after a TMO-style of play, but slightly de-tuned AI, you could always try Trigger Maru Overhauled with Training wheels (TMOwTw) by Dave Grayson (Florida Sailor). It is a Bonus Mod, so you do have to be a paying member of SubSim, but along with several of the other Bonus Mods, is over and above worth the money spent to help support SubSim.

This is not to say that TMOwTw is "easy", not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it is still more difficult than most other mods, but it is generally not as difficult as regular TMO, though you can still be sunk all too easily if you do not tread lightly through the waters...

KaleunMarco · 11-22-22, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pagan_PL

Ok Guys! I Just stopped the boat at long range and decided to observe. So that destroyer just HAD the course plotted near the port. My patience is rewarded by now. One hit from 4900 meters!

))

Still, If You have any hints for me it will be greatly appreciated!

i have to agree with PB on this one.
it is a bad habit to get into because the really good mod-sets have mines and subnets in addition to nasty patrol craft protecting harbors.

Pagan_PL · 11-25-22, 08:44 PM

Thank You guys! For Your replies. In fact, I am familliar to vanilla vesion only (I am playing ocasionally from 2007) Bought it on release date

- Still getting experience on this one in TMO. previously mastered the manual targeting like 20 ships sunk on single patrol. Now it is a challenge!

I like that! SO! Can U tell me the other mods that is working with TMO? Any will be appreciatted!

Thank You!

KaleunMarco · 11-25-22, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagan_PL

Thank You guys! For Your replies. In fact, I am familliar to vanilla vesion only (I am playing ocasionally from 2007) Bought it on release date

- Still getting experience on this one in TMO. previously mastered the manual targeting like 20 ships sunk on single patrol. Now it is a challenge!

I like that! SO! Can U tell me the other mods that is working with TMO? Any will be appreciatted!

Thank You!

if you are playing CapnScurvy's TMO, then, I believe you can tack on either Run Silent, Run Deep (RSRD) or Real Fleet Boat (RFB).

if you are playing TMO ala Bubblehead, i do not believe you should add any mod not specifically documented in BH's Support folder.

glad to hear that you are making progress.
Good Luck!

11-21-22, 04:43 PM	#1
Pagan_PL Watch Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 25 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Need help with TMO difficulty! Hello guys! This time I have another trouble. After learning how to hunt Dots on the map () Now I am confussed. This difficulty is unplayable for me - I mean the sub hunters and destroyers around the ports. There is no way I can runaway from them. No matter how and what ( the actual depth or silent runing) they ALWAYS seems to detect me. It is not fun. Even when storm is raging. Damn It is near impossible for me to sink the destroyer who is coming from left to right. My best solution - In the vanilla there was no need for that , but only solution is to avoid them by sticking near to the land and just stay out of their range - but as I said I hate that. They ALWAYS finds me. Any advices , guys? It is great mod , but I am in despair and think about just dumping down the AI. Please advice! Thank You.

11-22-22, 09:31 AM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 440 Uploads: 2	Don't raid harbors??... lol __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

12-05-22, 09:58 PM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I can remember when I first started playing TMO how hard I thought it was. It's sort of a balance because the game has a lot of hardcoded stupidity that makes many aspects too easy, so TMO sort of made some aspects hard. However, once you understand how the AI works connected to numerous factors and to attack when factors are in your favor you can pretty much easily beat the AI as long as you don't make dumb mistakes. Course like most games you'll learn tricks or tactics to make it easier to beat the AI. Once you get use to it and still sinking 100k tons of shipping per patrol, you'll add more realism such as no contacts and cams and go for the full difficult experience. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

12-06-22, 01:39 PM	#6
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 440 Uploads: 2	If you are after a TMO-style of play, but slightly de-tuned AI, you could always try Trigger Maru Overhauled with Training wheels (TMOwTw) by Dave Grayson (Florida Sailor). It is a Bonus Mod, so you do have to be a paying member of SubSim, but along with several of the other Bonus Mods, is over and above worth the money spent to help support SubSim. This is not to say that TMOwTw is "easy", not by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it is still more difficult than most other mods, but it is generally not as difficult as regular TMO, though you can still be sunk all too easily if you do not tread lightly through the waters... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

11-21-22, 05:23 PM	#2
Pagan_PL Watch Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 25 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Ok Guys! I Just stopped the boat at long range and decided to observe. So that destroyer just HAD the course plotted near the port. My patience is rewarded by now. One hit from 4900 meters! )) Still, If You have any hints for me it will be greatly appreciated!

11-25-22, 08:44 PM	#8
Pagan_PL Watch Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 25 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Thank You guys! For Your replies. In fact, I am familliar to vanilla vesion only (I am playing ocasionally from 2007) Bought it on release date - Still getting experience on this one in TMO. previously mastered the manual targeting like 20 ships sunk on single patrol. Now it is a challenge! I like that! SO! Can U tell me the other mods that is working with TMO? Any will be appreciatted! Thank You!