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12-17-12, 08:37 PM | #1 | |
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12-17-12, 09:13 PM | #2 | |
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But yes, he shouldn't be calling you out on your sim. Edit: Correction, mostly anyone can hunt(the crippled can't), but there are more people who can hunt than who can fly a plane.
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12-17-12, 09:25 PM | #3 |
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I'm against hunting as a whole, with the exception of the rules that 'if you kill it, you eat it' and 'don't overhunt the area' however I have to disagree a little bit with you there Spike.
You accurately state that not anyone can fly a big commercial airliner, that's true...but in the same way that if you went out on your own with a gun and tried to hunt down a Leopard, I would have you sign your last will and testament before you left. Sure, there are easy shortcuts in hunting, having the pheasants too fat that the poor sods can barely fly, using a shotgun, having a tracker lead you to the target, but there are also easy aircraft to fly, well easier than a commercial airliner. Sure, The Hunter can't replicate having your arms up to your elbows in deer guts, or spending two hours plucking and gutting a pheasant, but FSX can't accurately replicate the paperwork, enginework, G forces and other nuances that a real flight can...although to be fair with some of the addons out there it comes damn close. Now...we just have to work on giving the deer weapons to shoot back with... |
12-17-12, 10:43 PM | #4 |
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Yes, but most people don't hunt Leopard in real life or in hunting simulations.
The Hunter is about hunting deer, not anything that has a chance of fighting back. My point was more about the fact that it's a whole lot easier to go out and hunt than it is to fly a plane. Even if you're just saying a basic 2 seat-er plane. First getting a plane is a lot more expensive than getting a gun or a bow. Second the licenses required to hunt is just a small fee(you don't even need one if you're hunting locally, at least in my state), while a pilots licenses is like a drivers license where you need to pass actual tests. Anyways, the point is that if you wanted to hunt, you could go out and do it easier than you could go out and fly a plane, which is why Plane simulators are kind of a different story compared to Hunting simulators. Most people who are interested in hunting would be more interested in going out and doing the real thing than playing a simulator. While most people who are interested in flying a plane end up playing simulators because they don't have the means to do it in real life(plus I'm fairly certain more pilots spend time in simulators for leisure than hunters do). This holds true for most other sims too, it's easier to go hunting on your own than it is to work on a farm, drive a semi-truck, drive a bus, drive a train, etc. Most of these have some sort of qualification or limitation that keeps the average Joe from doing so in real life, so simulators let them experience it. Either way, if someone finds interest in a particular simulator, you shouldn't knock them for it. Even if some of the simulators out there are a bit... niche. We're all on a forum dedicated to submarine simulators for Christ's sake. Edit: Yes, but he can't do so without the help of another person. Although to be fair most quadriplegics can't play computer games either. But where there is a will there is a way. Technically someone who is missing their legs can sit up in tree platform and wait for a target to come by, but it's rarer for people to have the dedication to do so.
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12-17-12, 10:55 PM | #5 | |
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I'm the quad in the pictures and I sure as hell play computer games. Once loaded and set up, I shoot that rifle on my own. Most hunters need help hauling the Elk or Moose meat out of the woods so I might argue that they aren't alone either. |
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12-17-12, 11:02 PM | #6 | |
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If you're hunting boar, duck, quail, deer the average hunter could hunt by themselves. It's still a lot easier for someone to hunt in real life than it is for someone to fly a plane. Edit: I personally can't fly a plane(at least I don't think I can) as according to MEPS I have no depth perception(I haven't looked more into it). I also don't mean any offense, so I hope none is taken.
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12-17-12, 11:16 PM | #7 |
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I'm too old and thick skinned to let things bother me so no offense taken, but you really have a poor perception of the desire of the disabled to get out and DO. The ones who haven't the desire to live life to the nth degree usually waste away, so if you see someone who has survived for a length of time, you would probably be very surprised at the amount of things they've found they CAN do.
Rant This thread was about a hunting sim. At a website dedicated to subsims I'm really surprised at the negativity about it. No sim is a pure sim. It does what it does as well as it can. OFFRANT |
12-17-12, 11:30 PM | #8 |
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There is a degree of complexity to hunting though. You can't just get a gun, camo, tree stand and go shoot a deer.
You gotta watch the wind, terrain, eating habits, trails, what kind of food is in the area, how the animal avoids predators and how it can detect you. Take normal Whitetail Southern Missouri deer that i'm used to. My hunting ground is a small mountain. If you don't get your wind correct, they'll smell you and you won't see anything all day. If i get my wind wrong, I lay in the rocks at the creek where they cross every night to get to the fields. I bagged this year's deer that way. You gotta watch all the time. They'll walk up out of nowhere. There is a bit of a learning curve and it looks a lot better on paper than it does in the woods. Ive hunted deer, squirrels, and various birds for years. It is a wonderful sport and i think everyone should get a chance to try it out. Hunting is a great part of America if done correctly. In a game, you don't have to worry about the farmhouse where a man lives with his wife and two kids. This farmhouse happens to be over the horizon or behind the deer somewhere. You have to watch so you don't hit anybody or anything. In a game, there aren't usually other hunters. I had to pass up a deer last year because I saw the bright orange hunter's vest in the area behind the deer. A game won't allow you to shoot other hunters/people. (I have tried in several games just to see if i could.) I have played my fair share of hunting games. I have also shot, tagged, gutted, and eaten several animals of my own. Now, if i was rich, I'd sure as hell jump at the chance to go fly a P-40 over Guadalcanal. I'd jump at the chance to fly in a B-17 over Europe. The fact is, that stuff cost's a whole lotta money that i don't have. So, I settle for a semi-realistic simulator. If hunting is unavailable to you, by all means play a sim of it. Sailing the waters in a German U-boat is unavailable to us, so we settle for a "close but not quite" representation. If you can't farm, and all you wanna do is farm, by all means, buy the sim. Simply my opinion. I think computers live for simulation games. I can't get enough of them. I do have some complaints here and there...but overall...I am glad that every once in a while, I can just slap on headphones and pretend to fly a bombing mission over Europe.
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No mongol bows are available in the strong version?
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12-17-12, 10:31 PM | #10 | |
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Electric trigger operated by a sip on the straw\tube. Quadriplegic shooting prairie dogs. Crippled? Yes. Deadly? Yes!!!! Yeah, yeah, not walking around in the woods stalking, but then........they are 400-500 yard shots!! The sim is for days when you cannot get out there and do it. The most avid flight sim player I know happens to be an A-10 combat pilot. |
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12-17-12, 11:39 PM | #11 | |
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12-17-12, 11:43 PM | #12 |
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Yes, my older son, Eric. Would you believe 40 years old now?
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12-18-12, 06:43 AM | #13 | |
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You are in urgent need to link that setup with a tablet with the Leopard's virtual gunner's seat from SBP!
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--- I admit that concerning reality I share Oberon's attitude: hunting only if you eat it yourself and avoid overhunting. I would enjoy the hunt itself - but I would use a camera rifle only. The moment I have ensured that the prey got defeated and the hunting process was successful, the deal is done for me. I do need neither the kill nor the trophy on the wall. And the picture only to silence those who do not believe that I got there. But in principle I do not even need the photo. I have killed just once in my life, a straying dog near our camp in the desert which looked sick, and my concern was that it would bite while we are sleeping, giving us some disease (in that part of the world sick dogs are a concern for sure). Did feel neither triumph nor pity, but did what I think needed to be done. Killing a prey is not what I am about, I'd do it only if needing to eat. For me, it'S the hunt itself - exclusively.
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12-18-12, 07:18 AM | #14 | |
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I would expect a European to think like that. No offense, but hunting is also an American tradition (it's how we control our animal population) and I think there will always be good hunters here in the MidWest. You guys in Europe have had enough war and plague in Europe. I couldn't expect that all of you are armed and shoot animals in your free time.
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12-18-12, 11:09 AM | #15 | |
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And I bet money on that a majority of Americans do not leave the metropoles every weekend by the dozens of millions to go hunting either. On the other hand, remember the big conflict there was in Britian some years ago about fox hunts being banned yes or no. I do not care for hunting being labelled as a "tradition". And declaring a whole nation's spirit on basis of the practicing of a minorty, has its intrinsic definition problem anyway. The dolphin massacres they commit once a year in that Japanese village also is a "tradition". To hell with that latter tradition, I prefer the villagers slitting their own throats instead of massacring the sea. Killing for trophies and for fun, is despicable. Always. You could as well defend the torturing of cats and horses for fun. Or those stalkers sometimes haunting the farms over here by night and killing horses with speers or knifes or small callibre rifles. Just for fun, or their own pathologic personality's satisfaction. The argument of controlling animal population, is a two-sided sword. Sometimes it hits the truth. Sometimes its being abused for defending hunter's interests to go out there and shoot at something. Sometimes population control is only needed because man before has messed up the balance in the ecosystem all by himself, and then wants to repair it. It can be complicated matter to argue about. It is not that simple and self-explanatory as you just made it appear by giving it one single sentence. And the experience of my father, he is sports pistol shooter, doing the sports precision thing, don'T knbow how to call that in English. Spoirts shotters have very bad opinion of the many sunday hunters we have in Germany. Idiots that run into the forst during a hunt and shoot many empty holes into the sky and have not a clue of what it means to shoot with real precisiuon. The club my father is in - has banned hunters from membership. Too little discipline, too big mouths, to incompetent skill. Some policeman train there occasionally, too. German police hates our hunters as well. Too incompetent, too much Wild Bill Hickock wanting to shoot from the hip, literally. Hunters over here have an extremely bad reputation. Occasionally some soldiers come to his club too, to practice real pistol precision shooting - in the army, these guys say, they are not practicing that with that consequence at all. There is a distinctive difference between a trained sniper and a regular soldier. A soldier fires a LMG or MMG, a hundred rounds and does not hit anything. A sniper fires five rounds and hits five times. As a side note anecdote: I once read how they counted Vietnamese losses in the war: the American unit leader calculated how many guns fired for how long into how wide a green wall of trees, then there was a total number of rounds spend from all that M16 and MMG fire, and that translated into so and so many "kills". This number then was reported to Washington. Bodies were not cpounted most of thew time - nor found. If reality does not please you, invent your own - preciseöly calculated. In Bavaria, there is one village, where they practice a shooting event that I think is unique in the world. I saw a movie about that some time ago, but I forgot title and names. They shoot at targets over the lake. And they aim not at the targets but the reflections on the water. The bullets get bounced off the water' surface - and then hit the targets. I think it was called "Spiegelschießen", combined with that village's name.
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