SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997 |
|
04-25-24, 07:40 PM | #1 |
Seaman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 33
Downloads: 41
Uploads: 0
|
Well, I went ahead and made the change. Result: CTD.
Tried to revert, still CTD. As much as I love the night surface attacks that the BH Update brings to TMO, I think I’m pretty much done with this mod. This leaves me not sure where to go with this game. TMO+RSRD+OTC was too easy for me. I get the sense that FOTRSU will be too based on what I’ve read. Was really hoping TMO BHU would work but those torps are just too ridiculous. |
04-25-24, 07:53 PM | #2 |
Silent Hunter
|
which aspect of TMO+RSRD+OTC was too easy? reliable torpedoes? easy escorts? aircraft attacks? something i havent mentioned?
__________________
there are only two things in the world: submarines and targets. Fortis et stabilis et fidelis, semper ------------------------------------------------------------ Silent Hunter 4 1.5 Gold Edition on CDROM LAA enabled Dell XPS with 32 GB Ram running Win10 |
04-25-24, 08:05 PM | #3 |
Seaman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 33
Downloads: 41
Uploads: 0
|
My last career with TMO+RSRD+OTC started with 5 patrols totaling >150k tons. Encountered lots of unescorted merchant traffic and then at one point a solo carrier that I sank with 4 torps. Over those 5 patrols I maybe had to evade anti-sub activity once.
BHU has a lot to like…night surface attacks, nice changes to campaign layer, depth charges,etc. It fixed a lot of what I thought was missing before. But 4 hits out of 22 torps goes a bit far imo with the ‘realistic’ torpedoes. Something in between would have been nice. Was hopeful a simple edit of the Guidance parameter above would do the trick but I obviously messed up somewhere. Last edited by ESPY; 04-25-24 at 08:20 PM. |
04-26-24, 06:38 AM | #4 | |
CTD - it's not just a job
|
Quote:
|
|
04-26-24, 08:01 AM | #5 | |
Seaman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 33
Downloads: 41
Uploads: 0
|
Quote:
|
|
04-26-24, 09:45 AM | #6 |
Seaman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 33
Downloads: 41
Uploads: 0
|
Or, here’s an idea, let me know if you think this would work:
BHU contains an optional mod called Torpedoes Early_TNT4B that makes the pre-‘43 torps resemble weaker TNT instead of Torpex. The mod contains only 2 files, the Torpedoes_US.sim and .zon. Idea: Use S3editor to edit that .sim file, then save as new mod something like Torpedoes Early_TNT4B_BetterDepth. My only concern is that I’m going directly to the .sim file and bypassing your initial suggestion to open the .dat file, copy ID, then find that ID in the .sim file. Also, not sure what the .zon file is and whether it requires any tweaks. Editing this optional mod would allow me to create a version representing a more reliable, but still weaker pre-‘43 torp. |
05-03-24, 11:22 AM | #7 |
CTD - it's not just a job
|
So long as you edit a "matched" set of files, no issue with editing the sim file like that. The sim and the dat file "link" to each other by node ID number.
The reason to open both files is just to assure yourself that the dat and sim are indeed properly linked. But the torpedo sim file does have a "naming" convention inside of it also. Not all sim files are set-up like that... |
05-05-24, 05:18 PM | #8 |
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 455
Downloads: 95
Uploads: 0
|
A little off topic
Does anyone know if the game models what the temporary fix was that was relayed to the skippers for the duds after testing? Specifically they were told to fire at different angles rather than 90 degrees straight on shot. They found in testing the firing pistol would go off at other angles than what would be optimum while a perfect shot the pistol wouldn't fire a goof part of the time.. Of course they then manufactured the pistol differently and all was good for the non magnetic shots.
|
05-05-24, 07:24 PM | #9 | |
Silent Hunter
|
Quote:
are you interested in the real life, WWII fix or the SH4 fix? in real life, by the time the operations review team figured out that the detonator performed better at acute angles, the other operations team (Mk14 design) figured out the firing pin materials were the root cause of the duds. it all kind of came together in late 1943. the results were dramatic. there were, of course, multiple, concurrent issues with the Mk14 torpedo performance. here is a overview of the issue(s) and resolution(s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo for more in-depth review, read adm lockwood's Sink 'em All or Clay Blair's Silent Victory.
__________________
there are only two things in the world: submarines and targets. Fortis et stabilis et fidelis, semper ------------------------------------------------------------ Silent Hunter 4 1.5 Gold Edition on CDROM LAA enabled Dell XPS with 32 GB Ram running Win10 |
|
05-06-24, 03:02 PM | #10 | |
Seaman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 33
Downloads: 41
Uploads: 0
|
Quote:
I can't seem to find any middle ground with my tweaks. Torps end up either really bad, or too good. What I did was start with the dat file that is part of the Torpedoes Early_TNT4B mod with TMOBHU and used that to follow the link to the sim file. I edited that and saved as a new mod. Only change was the DepthKeepingProblems chance value from 0.75 to 0.2. I then enabled the new mod via JSGME (without enabling the original Torpedoes Early_TNT4B). Latest patrol: fired 20, 15 hit, 5 duds, no deep runners. Not only did deep runners disappear entirely, but the dud rate seems a bit low too! Ugh! Maybe next I'll try first enabling the original and then enabling mine on top of it??? |
|
05-08-24, 09:34 AM | #11 |
CTD - it's not just a job
|
The 0.75 supposedly relates to 75% of shots taken are duds. As you found, that does not exactly correlate to what you have in-game. Similarly, you found that the 0.2, relating to a 20% failure rate for a 1-in-5 chance of a dud also is a bit "off" the mark... Be aware that there are quite a few settings in there for the dud factor. If all you changed was the depth-keeping failure rate, but left the impact pistol portion alone, then perhaps you need to raise that chance a bit. Or maybe the magnetic pistol works too well? A combination of both? What I did in FotRSU testing was to work on one aspect at a time, and then use the external camera and the F6 Attack Map to "follow" the torpedoes to an anchored target. I would try with all parameters set to a 100% failure rate except the one aspect I was working on. Get that setting(s) written down, then move to the next. It takes a while, and setting up for an "angled" shot can be time consuming, but the Mission Editor can help with that somewhat...
|
|
|