US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 125

mapuc · 08-05-21, 03:16 PM

The world is going down the drain and a majority of the ordinary citizens does what they can to help by keep on voting on the same politicians or parties

Markus

Reece · 08-05-21, 06:54 PM

Well said Markus, agree 100%

MaDef · 08-06-21, 12:05 PM

In light of the Criminal complaint filed against Gov. Coumo, how likely is it he gets perp walked in front of the media?

Rockstar · 08-06-21, 12:23 PM

Liberals chief Russiagate conspiracy theorist and hero of the democrats and the faithful Schiffettes

Busted

Catfish · 08-06-21, 01:09 PM

Since when do you have something against war mongers?
Ah i see, only when non-republicans do it, otherwise it's patriotic.

mapuc · 08-06-21, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Since when do you have something against war mongers?
Ah i see, only when non-republicans do it, otherwise it's patriotic.

Warmongering isn't patriotic in no way. It's only foolish

Markus

AVGWarhawk · 08-06-21, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDef

In light of the Criminal complaint filed against Gov. Coumo, how likely is it he gets perp walked in front of the media?

Not very likely. He will ride this out. It is his last term.

mapuc · 08-06-21, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Not very likely. He will ride this out. It is his last term.

Last term doesn't this mean no more immunity and he can therefore be drawn into a civilian trial ?

Markus

Catfish · 08-08-21, 04:31 PM

The real problem of the US (from a conservative suisse newspaper) blame all translation errors on me

"Around 50 percent Americans remain in a kind of dark mood since the last election. A lot say the election has been rigged and the vaccine would be dangerous. Behind this, is a massive turning away from reality.

There is something wrong in America. It could be felt since some years, and who still needs proof can read about it in a precise study just published by the worldwide-known Monmouth University in New Jersey.
They have just established a relation between two usually not connected themes: The vaccination campaign and the voting result.

- Of the Amerians who see Biden's win as the result of manipulation, only 36 percent have been vaccinated.
- Of the Americans leaning towards the democrats the percentage of vaccinated (83 percent) is as high as those who say that the election has been executed correctly (90 percent)
- Of the republican Americans only a minority has been vacinated (40 percent), while a majority (57 percent) believes in election fraud.

Summing up this and using a bit of mathematics we come to a disturbing result: Just 51 percent of Americans are a) vaccinated and b) consider the election to have been correct.
51 percent of normal citizens: This is scarce.
It is a confusion of spirits which would be less dramatic, were it not happening within the leading power of the free world.

The american poll specialist Harry Enten said "We are a fifty-fifty nation". Extremely close are not only the voting results between rebulicans and democrats, but also the question whether a voting result can be trusted. 50 say yes, 50 no.
A bit more strongly worded, the fundament of the american democracy is sliding.

What is true, what is a lie? Philosophers have been posing this question ever more often lately. Some world-politial actors have made lies fashionable, and turned obvious lies into "truth".
Like Putin for example. During the russian annexation of the Krim all the world saw the green-clothed armed military without uniform or rank insignia. Putin said that there were no russian soldiers in the Krim. A bit later he admitted that there had been "a few". And a bit more later he personally decorated soldiers and officers, and whole regiments for their "mission". A radically post-modern view of "reality".

Likewise Donald Trump has been a radical. Immediately after his inauguration in 2016 he advised his staff to alter the photos of his swearing in, in a way to make it look more crowded than it had been in reality. Strictly speaking this action could already have him ousted, since no president may use his power for manipulation of the truth. The president has a responsibility, a serving function. Whoever misconceives this does not belong into the White House, not a single day. Trump managed to stay there for four years, in which time he spread 30,573 lies plus uncounted misleading claims. No one forgets the term of "alternative facts" made famous by Trump-advisor Kellyanne Conway.

This un-culture of bending facts and sheer lies has damaged the USA, but not only this nation. Every day, four years long, newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post, but also broadcasters like NBC, CNN and CBS have been denigrated as "Fake news media" by the US president.

Trump opponents, of course, were just flipping the bird. But this constant fire has changed something in Trump's voters. They do not trust the traditional media anymore. This has not only "feuilletonistic" consequences: It is about checks and balances.

Had the Washington Post unveiled a scandal like Watergate, the White House would have countered with "Fake News" accusations, at that time the Washington P. would have been already shreddered by Trump before it even had been published. In the end Trump's people would have shifted it all comfortably into a zone of indecision: "Some say so, some say so". 50/50.

"Isn't the truth always to be found in the middle"? What a bullsh!t. How about "the middle" in documents showing evidence of a repeatedly targeted bombardment of syrian hospitals by russian planes, and "something else"?

The view of the world has become diffused, maybe it all is a bit complicated. But at the same time now more people than ever feel comfortable being held by the hand, some superior alpha animal giving them interpretation, some explanation of make-belief "sense". But before all: A sense of being together.
And this is where the danger is.

The turning away from reality to the billowing bubbles of the internet: This comfortable as destructive new way of life has been practised first in America. And now country and people are groaning about what it made of them. Evermore impressing and ever more sophisticated and "erudite" books and essays are being published, which explain (afterwards, of course) how the gliding of the USA in the direction of Trump could be possible.

In search of deeper causes for the right-wing populism more observers are finding problems that have not much to do with material things. [...] "

A.s.o...tiresome to translate from swyzerdytsch

Can translate the rest if anyone is interested, but i guess no one is anyway.

Just a view from an independent european newspaper.

Catfish · 08-08-21, 05:57 PM

the follow-up, view from an independent european (switzerland? suisse?) newspaper.

the rest:

"In search of deeper causes for the right-wing populism more observers are finding problems that astonishingly have not much to do with material things.
Instead nightmarishly often there's the word "loneliness". Sociologists and pollsters have made much americans susceptible to personal cults, conspiracy theories and right-wing activism. It has been proven that the more atomized and isolated the voting public was, the more votes Trump got. A kind of immunization had those who had a family, a job, or found fulfillment in hobbies.

How those lonely ones were moving towards Trump, shows Michael C. Bender in his book "Frankly, we did win this election". More touching than despising are his descriptions of Trump-Superfans which he calls "Front row Joes". A lot were just "recently pensioned", writes Bender. A lot "had no children" or were "estranged from their families". They said that Trump had enriched their lives, given them a direction. Suddenly they were traveling, let other fellow-campaigners spend the night in their homes, or offered a ride in their cars. A movement which accepted them all, without prejudice.

"So is anyone surprised?" asked Michelle Goldberg, a New York Times columnist. She had quoted political scientist and philosopher Hannah Arendt (1906-1975). She had stated long before and much more clear than others, that especially lonely people feel drawn towards totalitarian ideologies.
Already in 1951 Mrs Ahrendt, in her book "The Origins of Totalitarism", had come to the conclusion that exludes any solution or remedy in the fight right vs. left: "The characteristic feature of the masses is not brutality or backwardness, but isolation and the lack of normal social relations". It is not the classes, but the masses. It is not left vs. right.
A social intact society would never have voted for Trump."

Not entirely my opinion, but has some merits.

August · 08-08-21, 07:39 PM

What a load of crap.

I wish I had a dollar for every crackpot theory that claims to have us figured out.

Buddahaid · 08-08-21, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

What a load of crap.

I wish I had a dollar for every crackpot theory that claims to have us figured out.

Heck I live here and can't figure it out....

Hawk66 · 08-09-21, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

What a load of crap.

I wish I had a dollar for every crackpot theory that claims to have us figured out.

I love this theory, August, which you constantly use to wipe of all views, opinions from the "Foreigners" at least that stuff, which you personally do not like or which does not fit in your "world view" : They do not know us, they do not understand us, they do not have a clue.

Regardless if one gives feedback at my job , my neighborhood, my country or whatever - I surely also not agree on everything, sometimes I do not agree at all. But - what I have learned in my life - is that it is an error, sometimes a fatal one, not to listen to other opinions, views and reflect. Else not seldom, one lives in a "bubble" or how we say here in Germany in a "Elfenbeinturm" (ivory tower)

Cybermat47 · 08-09-21, 02:22 AM

My main takeaway from this entire thread is that the PRC is well on its way to overtaking the USA as a global power, thanks to the crippling partisanship in the US.

Skybird · 08-09-21, 06:21 AM

The next elections mean to become a real menace to the very democratical system in the US.

Here is another opportunity for some to shoot the messenger because the new she carries is not wanted to be heard.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/09/p...ans/index.html

In some long forgotten thread ten years or more ago I once said that I see the future of the US most likely to become a military dictatorship or a religious autocracy that turns moralism into an excuse for suppression. I see no reason why I should think differently about the future. Just that that future now is ten years closer.

Europe does right to show Biden's US a relatively cold shoulder. He is just an intermezzo before the madness unleashed by the Great Orange Party will continue - and worse than before. Rigging and stealing elections, by attempts of the GOP, is being coded into the very genetic code of the American political system and its legal fundaments.

08-05-21, 03:16 PM	#1861
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	The world is going down the drain and a majority of the ordinary citizens does what they can to help by keep on voting on the same politicians or parties Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-05-21, 06:54 PM	#1862
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,739 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Well said Markus, agree 100% __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-06-21, 12:23 PM	#1864
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,831 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Liberals chief Russiagate conspiracy theorist and hero of the democrats and the faithful Schiffettes Busted __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

08-06-21, 01:09 PM	#1865
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Since when do you have something against war mongers? Ah i see, only when non-republicans do it, otherwise it's patriotic. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-08-21, 04:31 PM	#1869
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The real problem of the US (from a conservative suisse newspaper) blame all translation errors on me "Around 50 percent Americans remain in a kind of dark mood since the last election. A lot say the election has been rigged and the vaccine would be dangerous. Behind this, is a massive turning away from reality. There is something wrong in America. It could be felt since some years, and who still needs proof can read about it in a precise study just published by the worldwide-known Monmouth University in New Jersey. They have just established a relation between two usually not connected themes: The vaccination campaign and the voting result. - Of the Amerians who see Biden's win as the result of manipulation, only 36 percent have been vaccinated. - Of the Americans leaning towards the democrats the percentage of vaccinated (83 percent) is as high as those who say that the election has been executed correctly (90 percent) - Of the republican Americans only a minority has been vacinated (40 percent), while a majority (57 percent) believes in election fraud. Summing up this and using a bit of mathematics we come to a disturbing result: Just 51 percent of Americans are a) vaccinated and b) consider the election to have been correct. 51 percent of normal citizens: This is scarce. It is a confusion of spirits which would be less dramatic, were it not happening within the leading power of the free world. The american poll specialist Harry Enten said "We are a fifty-fifty nation". Extremely close are not only the voting results between rebulicans and democrats, but also the question whether a voting result can be trusted. 50 say yes, 50 no. A bit more strongly worded, the fundament of the american democracy is sliding. What is true, what is a lie? Philosophers have been posing this question ever more often lately. Some world-politial actors have made lies fashionable, and turned obvious lies into "truth". Like Putin for example. During the russian annexation of the Krim all the world saw the green-clothed armed military without uniform or rank insignia. Putin said that there were no russian soldiers in the Krim. A bit later he admitted that there had been "a few". And a bit more later he personally decorated soldiers and officers, and whole regiments for their "mission". A radically post-modern view of "reality". Likewise Donald Trump has been a radical. Immediately after his inauguration in 2016 he advised his staff to alter the photos of his swearing in, in a way to make it look more crowded than it had been in reality. Strictly speaking this action could already have him ousted, since no president may use his power for manipulation of the truth. The president has a responsibility, a serving function. Whoever misconceives this does not belong into the White House, not a single day. Trump managed to stay there for four years, in which time he spread 30,573 lies plus uncounted misleading claims. No one forgets the term of "alternative facts" made famous by Trump-advisor Kellyanne Conway. This un-culture of bending facts and sheer lies has damaged the USA, but not only this nation. Every day, four years long, newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post, but also broadcasters like NBC, CNN and CBS have been denigrated as "Fake news media" by the US president. Trump opponents, of course, were just flipping the bird. But this constant fire has changed something in Trump's voters. They do not trust the traditional media anymore. This has not only "feuilletonistic" consequences: It is about checks and balances. Had the Washington Post unveiled a scandal like Watergate, the White House would have countered with "Fake News" accusations, at that time the Washington P. would have been already shreddered by Trump before it even had been published. In the end Trump's people would have shifted it all comfortably into a zone of indecision: "Some say so, some say so". 50/50. "Isn't the truth always to be found in the middle"? What a bullsh!t. How about "the middle" in documents showing evidence of a repeatedly targeted bombardment of syrian hospitals by russian planes, and "something else"? The view of the world has become diffused, maybe it all is a bit complicated. But at the same time now more people than ever feel comfortable being held by the hand, some superior alpha animal giving them interpretation, some explanation of make-belief "sense". But before all: A sense of being together. And this is where the danger is. The turning away from reality to the billowing bubbles of the internet: This comfortable as destructive new way of life has been practised first in America. And now country and people are groaning about what it made of them. Evermore impressing and ever more sophisticated and "erudite" books and essays are being published, which explain (afterwards, of course) how the gliding of the USA in the direction of Trump could be possible. In search of deeper causes for the right-wing populism more observers are finding problems that have not much to do with material things. [...] " A.s.o...tiresome to translate from swyzerdytsch Can translate the rest if anyone is interested, but i guess no one is anyway. Just a view from an independent european newspaper. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-08-21 at 06:45 PM.*

08-06-21, 12:05 PM	#1863
MaDef Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,046 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	In light of the Criminal complaint filed against Gov. Coumo, how likely is it he gets perp walked in front of the media?

08-08-21, 05:57 PM	#1870
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	the follow-up, view from an independent european (switzerland? suisse?) newspaper. the rest: "In search of deeper causes for the right-wing populism more observers are finding problems that astonishingly have not much to do with material things. Instead nightmarishly often there's the word "loneliness". Sociologists and pollsters have made much americans susceptible to personal cults, conspiracy theories and right-wing activism. It has been proven that the more atomized and isolated the voting public was, the more votes Trump got. A kind of immunization had those who had a family, a job, or found fulfillment in hobbies. How those lonely ones were moving towards Trump, shows Michael C. Bender in his book "Frankly, we did win this election". More touching than despising are his descriptions of Trump-Superfans which he calls "Front row Joes". A lot were just "recently pensioned", writes Bender. A lot "had no children" or were "estranged from their families". They said that Trump had enriched their lives, given them a direction. Suddenly they were traveling, let other fellow-campaigners spend the night in their homes, or offered a ride in their cars. A movement which accepted them all, without prejudice. "So is anyone surprised?" asked Michelle Goldberg, a New York Times columnist. She had quoted political scientist and philosopher Hannah Arendt (1906-1975). She had stated long before and much more clear than others, that especially lonely people feel drawn towards totalitarian ideologies. Already in 1951 Mrs Ahrendt, in her book "The Origins of Totalitarism", had come to the conclusion that exludes any solution or remedy in the fight right vs. left: "The characteristic feature of the masses is not brutality or backwardness, but isolation and the lack of normal social relations". It is not the classes, but the masses. It is not left vs. right. A social intact society would never have voted for Trump." Not entirely my opinion, but has some merits. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-08-21 at 06:46 PM.*

08-08-21, 07:39 PM	#1871
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What a load of crap. I wish I had a dollar for every crackpot theory that claims to have us figured out. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-09-21, 02:22 AM	#1874
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,386 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 22	My main takeaway from this entire thread is that the PRC is well on its way to overtaking the USA as a global power, thanks to the crippling partisanship in the US. __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

08-09-21, 06:21 AM	#1875
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,492 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The next elections mean to become a real menace to the very democratical system in the US. Here is another opportunity for some to shoot the messenger because the new she carries is not wanted to be heard. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/09/p...ans/index.html In some long forgotten thread ten years or more ago I once said that I see the future of the US most likely to become a military dictatorship or a religious autocracy that turns moralism into an excuse for suppression. I see no reason why I should think differently about the future. Just that that future now is ten years closer. Europe does right to show Biden's US a relatively cold shoulder. He is just an intermezzo before the madness unleashed by the Great Orange Party will continue - and worse than before. Rigging and stealing elections, by attempts of the GOP, is being coded into the very genetic code of the American political system and its legal fundaments. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.