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Old 06-08-20, 03:43 PM   #3871
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The land of freedom and truth reports the truth and does not hide the truth like some countries do



Plus we've done a little over 20 million tests so that might play a part in those numbers too. Also Brazil isn't close to being second. The European Union holds that place with over 1.5 million infected, 1.25 million not counting the U.K.
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Old 06-08-20, 05:36 PM   #3872
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Old 06-08-20, 07:19 PM   #3873
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Hydroxychloroquine and no end. Seems it definitely does NOT help.



https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638


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After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure.


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In this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, we investigated the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 postexposure prophylaxis. In this trial, high doses of hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 when initiated within 4 days after a high-risk or moderate-risk exposure.

We used a pragmatic approach to recruitment and follow-up of participants through Internet-based self-referral and online follow-up surveys, and we couriered the trial interventions directly to participants’ homes. This approach allowed for recruitment across North America, minimized the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection to researchers, lowered the burden of research participation, and provided a timely answer to this question of whether postexposure prophylaxis was effective.

Moreover, this approach allowed broad geographic participation regardless of anyone’s physical distance from academic centers, increasing the generalizability of the findings. One result of our approach was that enrolled participants were generally younger and healthier than those at risk for severe Covid-19. Although the risk of severe Covid-19 is related to age and coexisting conditions, the risk of acquiring symptomatic infection is generally still present among adults, regardless of age. Although PCR or serologic testing for asymptomatic infection would have added to the scientific strength of this trial, this was not possible, and we cannot assess an effect on mild or asymptomatic infections. Although a marginal possible benefit from prophylaxis in a more at-risk group cannot be ruled out, the potential risks that are associated with hydroxychloroquine may also be increased in more at-risk populations, and this may essentially negate any benefits that were not shown in this large trial involving younger, healthier participants.

We acknowledge that this trial has limitations. Because of the lack of availability of diagnostic testing in the United States, the vast majority of the participants, including health care workers, were unable to access testing. Thus, an a priori symptomatic case definition was used — the U.S. clinical case definition of probable Covid-19. This trial represents real-world implementation after exposure. In the context of a randomized trial design, any non–SARS-CoV-2 viral infection (e.g., influenza, adenovirus, or rhinovirus) should be equally distributed in the trial groups. Owing to the Internet-based approach used to rapidly recruit participants in the context of a pandemic, data were obtained by means of participant report. The types and frequency of symptoms that were observed are similar to those in previous studies involving U.S. health care providers. The U.S. case definition is how probable Covid-19 cases are nationally reportable.However, the predictive power of this case definition is unknown, particularly in the younger populations that we studied; given the small number of PCR tests, it remains theoretically possible that hydroxychloroquine therapy limits proven infection. Reproduction of our results in other, ongoing trials would confirm our findings.

This randomized trial did not demonstrate a significant benefit of hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19. Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing. In order to end the pandemic, a reduction in community transmission is needed.
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Old 06-08-20, 07:54 PM   #3874
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It says nothing of the sort.



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Old 06-08-20, 08:32 PM   #3875
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Just because it made a reputable journal doesnt make it law. There are already some criticizing how the trial was conducted and its math. But, that's why they publish these results so they can be professionally reviewed and critiqued. Interesting thing though, on the upside there doesnt appear to be any cardiac arrhythmia or higher risks of death associated with hydroxychloroquine like everyone and the WHO was getting on all hysterical about earlier.
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Old 06-09-20, 04:58 AM   #3876
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Yes, far too late imho.
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Old 06-09-20, 05:01 AM   #3877
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The government is to drop plans for all English primary pupils to return to school before the end of summer.

The Children's Commissioner for England told the BBC the news would be a "huge disappointment"

From Tuesday, people in Moscow will be allowed to move around the city whenever they like.

But there remain concerns about a rush to reopen as the city still records 2,000 infections a day.

The UK recorded its lowest daily death toll since 22 March - 55 people died with Covid-19

In Brazil, the number of cases passes 700,000, but a controversy is growing over its data.

There are more than 7 million infections globally, with over 400,000 deaths.
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Old 06-09-20, 05:09 AM   #3878
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The US recorded 450 deaths linked to the virus over the past 24 hours, the lowest daily increase in two months.

The people of Malta are to be handed 100 euro (£89) vouchers to spend in the country's bars, hotels and restaurants as the government seeks to kickstart the economy.

China has dismissed a study suggesting the coronavirus might have been spreading in the city of Wuhan as early as August last year as "ridiculous".

New Zealanders enjoyed their first full day of life being - almost - back to normal on Tuesday, after all remaining coronavirus restrictions (except those linked to overseas travel) were lifted.

Places of worship in England will be able to reopen their doors on 15 June. Churches, temples, synagogues and mosques will be allowed to open to the public for private prayer only.

France's central bank has said the country's economy will only return to pre-coronavirus levels by mid-2022.

Delhi added around 1,000 new infections on Monday, taking the total in the Indian capital to nearly 30,000.
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Old 06-09-20, 06:50 AM   #3879
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In Bergamo, Italy, which was dramatically intense hit by the virus and saw the local newspaper pages with obituaries growing by a two digit factor comoared to pre-corona times, a sample of 10.000 generla tests found 57% of the people tested having antibodies in their blodd.


However, in Hamburg they tested blood donors and blood preservation: and not even 1% showed antibodies.



So, if the price for enforcing herd immunity is the immense death toll they had to pay in Bergamo, then all I can say: No, under no circumstances. That would be like forcing citizens to pull straws and having people lining up against the wall to get shot. 57% is close to the minimum for her immunity, usally set at values of 60% to 80%, but if it takes the tragedy Bergamo had to go through to reach that, then that simply is no way to go voluntarily. Not even mentioning that many of those who survived their hospitalization are ill until today and may never recover in full again in their life.
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Now there is an intriguing new clue, gleaned not from direct evidence, but from studying satellite imagery and internet search terms, which suggest hospital traffic and internet searches for symptoms were on the rise in Wuhan as early as late summer/early autumn.
But they did not say one word to warn the world. And months later when being actively called by the WHO, they still misled the world and lied and hid behind their lies and doctored numbers. And the WHO smeared honey and praise into their ears in a bid to buy their honesty by submitting to their propaganda interests, and they instead continued to lie and delay.

We shall never forget this. And not forgive. We will never know how many tens - if not hundreds - of thousands could hd been saved in the past or near future if China would not have intentionally decided to just not care for foreign nations' citizens' lives getting killed by decisions in Bejing. Think of the long time that got wasted. Research and preparation of months has been thrown away, Think of the many people who got hospitalised, "recovered and left weeks later - but did not fully recover, are still in seriously exhausted conditions at home, did not and maybe will not fully recover. Olds and youngs. Bureau-inhabitants and athletic people.


But no sacrifice is too big for the glory of the Chinese communist party and its big new emperor Xi Jinping!
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Here in Denmark, the Danish government and the Primeminister had been called into a consultation

When she and the government ordered the almost total shutdown of the country, it was based on the statements of various experts in the field of medicin.
So we have been told

Lately it have come to our knowledge that there wasn't such a statement from these expert. In fact some of the expert had warned the Primeminister to over react.

These expert was told to "keep their mouth shut"

On several occasion the primeminister have been asked: which experts advised you to shut down denmark
She did not reveal who these expert was

So today the Primeminister was in this consultation, where she had to reveal who and which expert had told the government to take these steps and close most of Denmark.

It was politicians from the opposition who had asked for this consultation with the Primeminister.

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China has dismissed a study suggesting the coronavirus might have been spreading in the city of Wuhan as early as August last year as "ridiculous".
The communist regime that massacred its own people and uses the Hong Kong Police Force like an occupying army denies missing a virus spreading? Well, they seem reliable.
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The US recorded 450 deaths linked to the virus over the past 24 hours, the lowest daily increase in two months.
Okay lets open everything up baby ... if it's okay to riot and protest and loot
then it's okay to open the bars and theaters and bowling alleys too.

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The global economy will contract by 6% in 2020 - the biggest downturn in peacetime in a century, the OECD says.

But the club of rich countries predicts a bounce-back next year unless a second virus wave forces fresh lockdowns.

Top US infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci warns the crisis is not over despite many countries easing restrictions.

In the UK, NHS waiting lists could double to 10m by the end of the year, health officials warn.

Meanwhile PM Boris Johnson will later announce plans to further ease lockdown restrictions in England.

Brazil's government will start publishing regular Covid-19 data again after a Supreme Court order.

There have been more than 7m infections globally, with 3.37m recoveries and more than 411,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.
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But the club of rich countries predicts a bounce-back next year unless a second virus wave forces fresh lockdowns.
i don't know about other countries, but if the States Governors here in the U.S. try another "lockdown" they could very well end up with an insurection on their hands.
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