US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

In all honesty I can only see the impeachment strengthening his position and popularity.

Jim Buna for the win.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

In all honesty I can only see the impeachment strengthening his position and popularity.

They mentioned it on Danish news yesterday, this impeachment could improve his popularity.

When this journalist said this I could not help thinking

Have the Dem. by taking this step-shot them self in their foot ?

Markus

[Skybird]

^ This is why Pelosi was so very very very hesitent for so long time to actually start impeachment. He party had to push her until, she had no other choice. Now she must put a good face on the matter. The Democrats fired a HE round in a cannon with a congested barrel.



The lil' boy in the White House will do what he does better than any other: polarizing even further to secure his victory 2020. In fact he already has started. The Dems imho now have no chance.



This polarization has started already at the Nixon "incident", immediately after that round ended. It was the last time parties were able to reach out to the other, and Republicans actually cared a bit about the evidence. The next round already was the Republican conspiracy with Khomeini to delay the freeing of the hostages so that Carter could not benefit form it and Reagan got elected. And from then on at the latest the degeneration of standards and political culture went into a steeper and steeper dive. The acceleration this descent has reached in the present years, is breathtaking. Techncially, I put the major guilt on the Republicans who played obviously foul again and again, and I fail to see the Democrats having produced such formidable crime cases like Nixon and Iran-Contra and the war of 2003 and - according to socalled conspiracy theories - letting 9/11 happening to get the cause for total surviellance of civil soeity, orhvate people, and under explicit violation of US laws and constitutional rules. But I also think that even without that that confrontation would have turned out to become sharper and sharper simply due to the Democrats turning ever more lefty.



Anthrax or Ebola. America, choose your poison. Thats your precious freedom. Compromise is not possible. If you died of the one thing, you cannot also die a bit of the other. Its fair to say that lil' Cesar has you all exactly where he wants you. Now recommended is a little studying of European history. Where America now is, where it craves to be: absolute polarization, Europe already has been - several times. The results always were excessive, and in no way pleasant for anyone.




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P.S. I do not think impeachment will give the Democrats sufficient PR points amongst voters. And the surveillance state Americans obviously do not care for, nor is war on climate as big an issue as over here. What could grow numbers of voters for Democrats however is the shabby state the health system is in, but the Democrats would need to handle it somewhat realistically. If they try to milk it by making sky-high promises whose financing even for the laziest sleeper is obvious to be unrealistic, they will mess this chance as well. We see across all of Europe that turning ever more left currently does not pay off for left parties (thats why they so desperately try to import migratst everywhere who traditionally tend to vote more left, and to lower age limits because the young also tend to vote more lefty). People increasingly want to know how promises are to be paid for.



I seriously wonder whether there will be a third party raising in the US in the forseeable future. I see this as realistic, although I know that everybody will laugh at me. But here in Europe they laughed about certain potlkical scenarios as well that nobody imagined - and that by now have become reality, and in a very short time. The established two parties in the US, both are burned and dead.

[mapuc]

Your comment made me remember what this Danish News channels journalist in USA said earlier today.

From my memory

Since this started back in September, the Dem was hopping Republican voters would change side and come over to their side. The lastest polls in USA show no real changes on that matter.

Markus

[Cybermat47]

So this whole impeachment thing has just weakened the Democrats and probably left Trump in power due to Republican control of the Senate?

Have the Democrats always been this incompetent?

With the US centre-right party shooting itself in the foot like this, and the Australian centre-right party letting Chinese communists infiltrate it while the country is on fire, it’s no wonder people are drifting further to the political extremes.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Have the Democrats always been this incompetent?

Beginning to look that way.

[vienna]

There's at least one Christian who has seen the hypocrisy of evangelical support for Trump and is speaking out; the fact he is Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the Billy Graham-founded Christian magazine Christianity Today and his words, and opiniions, carry an awful lot of weight:


Trump Should Be Removed from Office --

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...om-office.html






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[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

With the US centre-right party shooting itself in the foot like this,

You mean center left?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by August

You mean center left?

If you go by media reports, there is no center anything, it's either far-left or far right, depending on which alphabet channel you watch, and you can thank the 535 clowns in Washington D.C. for that.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by MaDef

If you go by media reports, there is no center anything, it's either far-left or far right, depending on which alphabet channel you watch, and you can thank the 535 clowns in Washington D.C. for that.

And one would think that with the history of far right or leftist politics that no good could or would come of it, but it seems people can't, won't or just don't want to learn.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by vienna

There's at least one Christian who has seen the hypocrisy of evangelical support for Trump and is speaking out; the fact he is Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the Billy Graham-founded Christian magazine Christianity Today and his words, and opiniions, carry an awful lot of weight:


Trump Should Be Removed from Office --

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...om-office.html






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Wowh, that is a plain, straight, devastating full broadside, put in concise and elegant wording. Unfortunately it will get just yelled down by this immoral barbary. Its too subtle and too differentiated as if it could play a role in a bar brawl where the beer bottles are flying and lies are being proudly yelled out into the world to which one has declared a war on facts.

[Skybird]

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ws/4385967002/


https://www.statista.com/chart/20310...ts-threatened/

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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The lil' boy in the White House will do what he does better than any other: polarizing even further to secure his victory 2020. In fact he already has started. The Dems imho now have no chance.

Trump never stopped polarizing.

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Have the Democrats always been this incompetent?

Yes.

Originally Posted by vienna

There's at least one Christian who has seen the hypocrisy of evangelical support for Trump and is speaking out; the fact he is Mark Galli, the editor-in-chief of the Billy Graham-founded Christian magazine Christianity Today and his words, and opiniions, carry an awful lot of weight:


Trump Should Be Removed from Office --

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...om-office.html






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Not all will fall into place from his opinion. In fact, many could walk due to his opinion.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Not all will fall into place from his opinion. In fact, many could walk due to his opinion.

Perhaps not all; but all that is needed is enough to tip the scales...

Remember, Trump was able to get his Electoral College win by a razor slim <80,000 poplar votes in just a few key battlefield states, some of which states have shown, in the 2018 midterms and it various other local state elections since 2016, a strengthening tendency to rebuke Trump and the GOP. I have noticed how very often the minions and the Trumpettes and the FR news media such as Fox News will often couch the news of Trump/GOP setbacks with phrases such as 'Well, Trump carried that state/district/legislature in 2016...'; well,, in 2106, Trump was running against a very, very poor DEM candidate (who, in spite of being such a bad candidate, still managed to get over 2,868,000 more votes than Trump) and benefited from the situation; but, that was 2016 and the times they've been a-changing; aside from the whopping whipping the GOP took in losing the House of Representatives, and other losses of various local and state offices (some of which had been long standing GOP sinecures), the news regarding the prospects for 2020 for the GOP and Trump are not very encouraging; Trump's tariffs have wreaked havoc on the farm states and there is a vert vocal backlash from the farmers against Trump; one farmer in particular has been a very vocal and visible critic against Trump and has actually renounced his membership in the GOP and gone Independent (good for him!) and is considering a campaign against Trump favorite Rep. Jim Jordan; not even the estimated up to USD $30,000,000,000 in taxpayer-funded "Trump Bucks" spent to try and mollify farmers who have suffered very real damage from Trump's tariffs is making the farmers feel any sense of security or hope for recovery from the Trump Effect...

...and lets not forget the coal mining states: since Trump ran in 2016 on the promise of saving the failing coal industry and since his term start, there have been at least 5 major coal industry bankruptcies affecting thousands of miners and other workers; in fact, one of the bankruptcies was a mining firm that had gotten assurances from Trump and his minions of particular support from Trump in the event of future difficulties; in the lead-up of problem indicating the firm might, indeed, have to go bankrupt, the firm made numerous pleas to the White House, but never got an answer; so much for "promises kept"...

While there may not be a wholesale shift by any one segment of Trump's 2016 support, given the fragility of his EC gains, based as it was/is on the popular votes in those key states, there are enough rumblings and outright dissensions to make 80,000 votes disappear in 2020; again, there is no need for a wholesale defection, just enough to negate, say 80,000 votes...






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[Rockstar]