Can you beat the '68 Campaign in anything but a Skipjack?

caine007 · 07-07-17, 10:52 PM

I just can't see how you can complete a lot of the missions in the slower subs.

The Sturgeon is quiet and great for ambushes but 25 knots is just not fast enough to clean up every one of your targets for a lot of the missions and once you're spotted they always seem to scatter. I always end up chasing some Victor who just toys with me.

Do you get any kind of partial credit for missions? I feel like HQ is pissed at me even if I sink 5 targets but can't catch the sixth.

Steiger · 07-07-17, 11:58 PM

Adjust your tactics. Use your stealth to get in close and pick your targets with extreme prejudice. The toughest missions are the landing missions because of so many targets.

Not every mission in Cold Waters is winnable, it's part of the design.

Shadow · 07-08-17, 07:16 AM

If you stick to the mission targets, you should be fine. When there's more than one, you don't always need to sink them all to accomplish your mission. For example, you only need to sink 50% of the transports when tackling an invasion force.

A tangential problem I see is that medals seem much harder to earn in the 1968 campaign, if they're tied to tonnage sunk in a single patrol. Your effective destructive power is nowhere near what you have aboard a Los Angeles in 1984. To illustrate my case, in about 7 successful missions in '84 driving an LA I was able to earn the Bronze Star, Silver Star and Navy Cross. In '68 driving a Skipjack, I earned nothing in 5 successful missions (and then I was sunk

).

Some tweaking might be in order. Here's the contents of awards.txt:

While attainable in 1984, the patrol awards in particular seem outlandish in 1968. Perhaps campaigns should have some sort of multiplier value to adjust the requirements to the scenario.

MBot · 07-08-17, 08:18 AM

I just completed the 1968 campaign in a Permit without using saves (except to leave the game). Unfortunately I could not find the Yankee in the last mission, so the Soviet Union continues to exist.

ChaosphereIX · 07-08-17, 09:35 AM

I have finished a '68 campaign on Elite with the following subs:

Skipjack [hardest]
Charlie I
Victor I
Yankee

Edit: Just finished in the Yankee Sidecar with 750k+ tons sunk. That thing destroys fleets.

It certainly is the harder of the two campaigns, but the lack of CWIS and better sensors you can use to your advantage. ie. missile strikes actually work well against fleets in a Charlie. Whole fleets have gone down in one salvo...with no return fire. Not like in '84 that is for sure!

ollie1983 · 07-08-17, 09:46 AM

You don't need to win every mission to complete the campaign. I had at least 2 cock ups.

jhelix70 · 08-09-17, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steiger

Not every mission in Cold Waters is winnable, it's part of the design.

True in 1968, sometimes you just have to "pass"

Essentially, you are working with obsolete weapons.

But...the 1984 campaign is so much more fun with the great MK48.

07-07-17, 10:52 PM	#1
caine007 A-ganger Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 72 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Can you beat the '68 Campaign in anything but a Skipjack? I just can't see how you can complete a lot of the missions in the slower subs. The Sturgeon is quiet and great for ambushes but 25 knots is just not fast enough to clean up every one of your targets for a lot of the missions and once you're spotted they always seem to scatter. I always end up chasing some Victor who just toys with me. Do you get any kind of partial credit for missions? I feel like HQ is pissed at me even if I sink 5 targets but can't catch the sixth.

07-07-17, 11:58 PM	#2
Steiger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 187 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Adjust your tactics. Use your stealth to get in close and pick your targets with extreme prejudice. The toughest missions are the landing missions because of so many targets. Not every mission in Cold Waters is winnable, it's part of the design. __________________

07-08-17, 07:16 AM	#3
Shadow Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 112 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 2	If you stick to the mission targets, you should be fine. When there's more than one, you don't always need to sink them all to accomplish your mission. For example, you only need to sink 50% of the transports when tackling an invasion force. A tangential problem I see is that medals seem much harder to earn in the 1968 campaign, if they're tied to tonnage sunk in a single patrol. Your effective destructive power is nowhere near what you have aboard a Los Angeles in 1984. To illustrate my case, in about 7 successful missions in '84 driving an LA I was able to earn the Bronze Star, Silver Star and Navy Cross. In '68 driving a Skipjack, I earned nothing in 5 successful missions (and then I was sunk ). Some tweaking might be in order. Here's the contents of awards.txt: Code: [Medals and Awards] Navy=United States PatrolAwards=event_award_bronze_star,event_award_silver_star,event_award_navy_cross,event_award_medal_of_honor PatrolTonnage=25000,50000,100000,200000 CumulativeAwards=event_award_navy_com,event_award_navy_dsm,event_award_legion_of_merit CumulativeTonnage=50000,100000,250000 MissionsPassed=3,6,10 WoundedAwards=event_award_purple_heart ProbabilityWounded=0.15,0.001 While attainable in 1984, the patrol awards in particular seem outlandish in 1968. Perhaps campaigns should have some sort of multiplier value to adjust the requirements to the scenario. __________________ Shadow's Cold Waters mods (JSGME-friendly) = Longer Campaigns: Marathon Edition = 500-yard MAD range Last edited by Shadow; 07-08-17 at 07:28 AM.

07-08-17, 09:35 AM	#5
ChaosphereIX Mate Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 57 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I have finished a '68 campaign on Elite with the following subs: Skipjack [hardest] Charlie I Victor I Yankee Edit: Just finished in the Yankee Sidecar with 750k+ tons sunk. That thing destroys fleets. It certainly is the harder of the two campaigns, but the lack of CWIS and better sensors you can use to your advantage. ie. missile strikes actually work well against fleets in a Charlie. Whole fleets have gone down in one salvo...with no return fire. Not like in '84 that is for sure! Last edited by ChaosphereIX; 07-09-17 at 05:28 AM.

07-08-17, 08:18 AM	#4
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I just completed the 1968 campaign in a Permit without using saves (except to leave the game). Unfortunately I could not find the Yankee in the last mission, so the Soviet Union continues to exist.

07-08-17, 09:46 AM	#6
ollie1983 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 45 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You don't need to win every mission to complete the campaign. I had at least 2 cock ups.