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[Aktungbby]

Vice84!

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Originally Posted by Vice84

ok, i'll try to unistall all mod, the game, reinstall the game and then install this mega pack...

No need to unistall the game. If you installed the mods you are currently using through Jone Soft's Generic Mod Enabler, simply disabling them is enough.

Originally Posted by Vice84

can i add even some more mod (and then check if it's all ok) that maybe are not in this pack or it work just as a stand alone mega mod pack?

You can, but be careful: the probability to break something is high. Maybe ask in the relevant forum thread, if you want to add some extra mod which is not included into your mega mod of election.

Originally Posted by Vice84

Can i use custom difficult or i have to play at 100% realism? i know it's cool, but i like to watch around with camera sometimes and keep all "mechanical" stuff like limited oxigen, fuel, battery, air, reload/repair times, dud torpedoes etc... real. :P

You can enable/disable external camera as many times as you want. Many SH5 players, even the "hard-core" players, like having it enabled for taking screenies.

Originally Posted by Vice84

Thx for the quickly answer

My pleasure

[Vice84]

i've never had so much support and quck answer in any other popular game... you live in a submarine and have so much free time?

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Originally Posted by Vice84

i've never had so much support and quck answer in any other popular game... you live in a submarine and have so much free time?

I hope you will be around for the next "Best of Subsim" poll

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by gap

I hope you will be around for the next "Best of Subsim" poll

subsim's + your = seriously! Well done as usual!On June 19, 2009, the original signed photograph was sold at auction for $74,324, a record for an Einstein picture...

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

subsim's + your =

Good equation Aktungbby! On a par with that other famous one... uh wait, what did it look like? Well, something like that I think:

[Vice84]

I've read that the TDW generic patcher does not support the steam version, it's a problem if i run the game without it?

Anyway... wow!
The das boot intro.. i mean i've star appreciate submarine since i've seen that movie when i was 6 yo

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Vice84;2328779[COLOR=yellow

]... you live in a submarine and have so much free time?[/COLOR]

On a par with that other famous one... uh wait, what did it look like? Well, something like that I think:

PSSST We all do! @ gap; mine's better; seems the 'c' doesn't always hold up over time! c2 has decreased !!?. http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html

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Originally Posted by Vice84

I've read that the TDW generic patcher does not support the steam version, it's a problem if i run the game without it?

You don't need to:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...25#post2226825

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[Vice84]

thx for the welcome

ahahahaha even the music is taken by that movie that's amazing!

WHOA!
That's a total new game!
i must accostumate to the new UI and learn everything about navigation map.... but that's absolutely awsome! i wanna cry

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[vdr1981]

Hello again guys !

I'll bring discussion about neutral ships in allied convoys here in order to share some findings...

Please note that this is really significant gamebraking issue and it must be solved quickly one way or the other. SH is all about convoy engagements and if we must to turn our heads from other SH5 glitches that still remains, at least convoy attacks should be pure and bug free.
This is not only about players rating and renown because presence of neutral shipping in allied convoys will also cause all kind of strange AI reactions (like escorts been perfectly indifferent if neutral ship was sunk , only green/neutral ships will take evasive maneuvers if one of their neutral allies is hit while other red/allied ships will take no action at all ect ect...)

This is the very first convoy encountered in HT campaign, two days after campaign start . Note that several ships are "green" which means that they have neutral status (aka Side=0) while others are "red" (aka Side=1)


Green ships are: 4 Panama's and 1 Danish freighter. In the convoy are also present few other non British freighters from countries which were at that time neutral or axis/friendly (aka Side=2) which is OK. Those are Free France, Free Poland and free Greece...Here are few pictures.


I've noticed that Panama's merchants are very common in allied convoys but they are always green neutral. Reason for this may be in fact that "Free Panama" folder does not exist in Roster folder at all?!

[SideEntry 156]		; ///////////// P A N A M I A N  M E R C H A N T  F L E E T \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (Merchants)
Country=FreePanama
Side=1
StartDate=19400218	; U-61 fires one torpedo at a steamer of about 3000 grt, which sank within 2 minutes east of the Shetlands. This must have been the Panamian merchant 'El Sonador', which was reported missing since 17 February. Before Panama had entered in the war on the Allied side (19411207), its big merchant fleet suffered 14 losses due to ships sunk by German U-boats. By the end of the war the toll was of 78 ships sunk and 4 damaged
EndDate=19411207	; Panama declares war on Japan

Regarding Danish freighter...This is actually FreeDenmark ship which should be red/allied but because of EndDate=19400407, game engine confuses and assign her neutral/green status...

[SideEntry 75]		; //// D A N I S H  M E R C H A N T  F L E E T  A N D  N A V A L  F L O T I L L A  I N  E X I L E \\\\\ (Merchants,[few] Warships; Naval units only after 'Operation KNU' [19430829])
Country=FreeDenmark
Side=1
StartDate=19390930	; The Danish steam merchant 'Vendia' is stopped by U-3. She was sunk after an attempt by her crew to ram the U-boat. After this episode and before the invasion of Denmark by Nazi Germany (Operation Weserübung, 19400408), though Denmark was a neutral country, the Danish merchant fleet suffered 167 casualties due to attacks by German U-boats
EndDate=19400407	; Operation Weserübung: Germany invades Denmark; a puppet government is issued

Good new is that DefSide.cfg file can be edited during campaign and changes are reflected instantly. For example, if I change FreeDenmark end date to 1944, Danish merchant will become "red" on next game loading...

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Originally Posted by vdr1981

Hello again guys !

I'll bring discussion about neutral ships in allied convoys here in order to share some findings...

Please note that this is really significant gamebraking issue and it must be solved quickly one way or the other...

I agree

Originally Posted by vdr1981

This is the very first convoy encountered in HT campaign, two days after campaign start . Note that several ships are "green" which means that they have neutral status (aka Side=0) while others are "red" (aka Side=1)

Okay, contact colors are the definitive evidence that there are actual neutral ships within Allied convoys.

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Green ships are: 4 Panama's and 1 Danish freighter. In the convoy are also present few other non British freighters from countries which were at that time neutral or axis/friendly (aka Side=2) which is OK. Those are Free France, Free Poland and free Greece...

Good news. If I got you correctly, neutral ships wrongly assigned to convoys only belong to some nations. Other nationalities are represented within convoys by their "free" counterparts.

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I've noticed that Panama's merchants are very common in allied convoys but they are always green neutral. Reason for this may be in fact that "Free Panama" folder does not exist in Roster folder at all?!

[SideEntry 156]		; ///////////// P A N A M I A N  M E R C H A N T  F L E E T \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (Merchants)
Country=FreePanama
Side=1
StartDate=19400218	; U-61 fires one torpedo at a steamer of about 3000 grt, which sank within 2 minutes east of the Shetlands. This must have been the Panamian merchant 'El Sonador', which was reported missing since 17 February. Before Panama had entered in the war on the Allied side (19411207), its big merchant fleet suffered 14 losses due to ships sunk by German U-boats. By the end of the war the toll was of 78 ships sunk and 4 damaged
EndDate=19411207	; Panama declares war on Japan

That's an obvious oversight. A Free Panamian roster should be setup (that's easily done) and all the POanamian merchants within allied convoys should be converted into Free Panamians until when Panama as a whole becomes an enemy of Axis powers (Dec 7th 1941). After that date, there's no reason to set Free Panamian ships within convoys. "Regular" Panamian merchants can be used instead.

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Regarding Danish freighter...This is actually FreeDenmark ship which should be red/allied but because of EndDate=19400407, game engine confuses and assign her neutral/green status...

[SideEntry 75]		; //// D A N I S H  M E R C H A N T  F L E E T  A N D  N A V A L  F L O T I L L A  I N  E X I L E \\\\\ (Merchants,[few] Warships; Naval units only after 'Operation KNU' [19430829])
Country=FreeDenmark
Side=1
StartDate=19390930	; The Danish steam merchant 'Vendia' is stopped by U-3. She was sunk after an attempt by her crew to ram the U-boat. After this episode and before the invasion of Denmark by Nazi Germany (Operation Weserübung, 19400408), though Denmark was a neutral country, the Danish merchant fleet suffered 167 casualties due to attacks by German U-boats
EndDate=19400407	; Operation Weserübung: Germany invades Denmark; a puppet government is issued

Good new is that DefSide.cfg file can be edited during campaign and changes are reflected instantly. For example, if I change FreeDenmark end date to 1944, Danish merchant will become "red" on next game loading...

No, game cannot confuse Danish and FreeDanish rosters, because other than having similar names, gamewise they have nothing in common. There must be Danish ships (not FreeDanish) set to sail in campaign withing convoys after the annexation of Denmark by Nazi Germany. This is a triple oversight: because of the problems you have pointed above, because there was just one Danish merchant being sunk by an U-boat after Denmark's capitulation (that was the steamer Lily, sunk on 26 Apr 1940), and because, as far as I know, no Dansih ship was ever sunk within Allied convoys. I actually doubt that the neutral Denmark ever partecipated into the convoy system. There should be a few FreeDanish merchants (i.e. valid targets) in campaign, and they should be set to sail from/to British ports as solitary ships, or in small unescorted groups before Denmark becomes part of Germany.
When I set defsides.cfg I made a lot of research. Most of the Free Nation dates are set according to data on uboat attacks available from uboat.net. I have added short comments for each nation set in that file, giving explanation on why certain dates are chosen for switching sides, on the units that each nation should be assigned in its roster, and on their suggested usage in campaign. I could have made some mistakes in setting defsides.cfg, and in that case I will gladly admit the blunder, but in general I don't think tweaking again that file is a good idea. For most nations, making sure that my instructions are followed to the letter should be enough to avoid crazy encounters in game.

[vdr1981]

Okay, contact colors are the definitive evidence that there are actual neutral ships within Allied convoys.
Way to many IMO...


Good news. If I got you correctly, neutral ships wrongly assigned to convoys only belong to some nations. Other nationalities are represented within convoys by their "free" counterparts.
That is only true for this convoy, on next encounter situation will probably be very different depending of current game's date...


That's an obvious oversight. A Free Panamian roster should be setup (that's easily done)..
I fail to understand why there's so many regular Panamian freighters in allied Atlantic convoys even in first campaign (1939/1940) if you guys have set campaign to spawn FreePanama ships within allied convoys? Shouldn't they bee ignored by the game in this case?

It is obvious that you and Trev know much more about campaign files then I do and the purpose of my previous post is to help you guys to determent the cause of the problem but that's the best i can do I'm afraid, especially in upcoming period...

I was aware of neutral ships in convoys for years but I looked at it as feature and just recently I discovered that this is actually unprecedented and unseen bug in previous SH titles...

I'm looking forward hopefully for upcoming solution because It's going to be really hard for me to find inspiration for further work on SH5 while game continues to spawn those "green ships" in such legitimate targets as large allied convoys...I'm afraid that these kind of issues can really trow me back in SH3/4 world once again .
All seems kind of pointless if game's gonna penalize me if I sink "wrong" ship during convoy engagement...