US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

You know that most other western countries have mail voting systems, right?

Well we do too Wiseacre, it's called absentee balloting, but the reason the Democrats don't want to use it is that most states require witnesses or notarization and a valid ID to set it up. Instead they want to mail millions of ballots out without any verification of who is returning them.

[Skybird]

.................................................. .........War on mail voting!

Struttmann, Der Tagesspiegel

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/17/p...ion/index.html

Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump by a nine-point margin nationally, according to a CNN Poll of Polls on the general election matchup released Monday.Biden, who is set to accept the Democratic nomination later this week, is backed by 51% of registered voters nationwide, while 42% support Trump.
The CNN poll conducted by SSRS released Sunday found Biden with 50% support and Trump at 46%. When averaged with other recent polls which showed lower support for Trump, the Poll of Polls yields a larger margin.
The Poll of Polls includes the six most recent national telephone polls measuring the views of registered voters. Only two of the six included polls were conducted entirely after Biden announced California Sen. Kamala Harris as his running mate.
The polls conducted after Biden's historic selection of Harris as his running mate largely find the pick to be received positively by the public: 52% of registered voters in CNN's poll called it an excellent or pretty good pick, including 82% of Democrats.
In the Washington Post/ABC News poll, 54% of Americans said they approved of Biden's choice of Harris, with 86% of Democrats approving of the pick.
But as voters voice their approval of Harris, they are also signaling their disapproval with Trump in recent polls that show his approval rating is largely underwater as the party conventions begin.
In the CNN poll, 42% of Americans approve and 54% disapprove of the President. In the Washington Post/ABC News poll, his rating stands at 43% approve to 55% disapprove. The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds 44% of registered voters approving of the President, with 53% disapproving, while the Fox News poll shows Trump's rating among registered voters at 44% approve to 54% disapprove.
Several recent polls have pegged interest and enthusiasm about the presidential race at historic levels. CNN's polling found -- for the first time in CNN's trend on this question back to 2003 -- a majority of voters saying they were "extremely enthusiastic" about voting in the presidential election. The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 79% rating their interest in the election as a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale, higher than in previous cycles.
The Fox News poll found interest in the election at a new high: 62% of voters said they were "extremely interested" in the presidential election, up from 54% in June and higher than it's been in polling back to the 2012 cycle.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by August

Well we do too Wiseacre, it's called absentee balloting, but the reason the Democrats don't want to use it is that most states require witnesses or notarization and a valid ID to set it up. Instead they want to mail millions of ballots out without any verification of who is returning them.

Washington State, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and Hawaii have universal all mail voting which gets sent to every eligible voter. States like Florida, Arizona, Maine, Idaho, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio you can get an absentee ballot for any reason. Other states like Texas, New York, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Alabama do require you to have a reason to vote absentee and in five states fear of the Coronavirus isn't a valid one. It's up to the states NOT the Federal Government to decide how absentee ballots are handled. Also to vote absentee I'm pretty darn sure you have to be registered to vote BEFORE you can get an absentee ballot.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

Washington State, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and Hawaii have universal all mail voting which gets sent to every eligible voter. States like Florida, Arizona, Maine, Idaho, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio you can get an absentee ballot for any reason. Other states like Texas, New York, South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Alabama do require you to have a reason to vote absentee and in five states fear of the Coronavirus isn't a valid one. It's up to the states NOT the Federal Government to decide how absentee ballots are handled. Also to vote absentee I'm pretty darn sure you have to be registered to vote BEFORE you can get an absentee ballot.

All true and shows the crap basis for vote by mail resistance. Really, are Republicans unable to use the mail? Too hard to figure out? Hiding behind some wall of only Republicans are honest and Democrats dishonest? Do you really think only Democrats will vote by mail or are you afraid high voter turnout will show the real public majority view?

Well?

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

^That's the reason's for A: posting the video that I did and B: my signature.

[Buddahaid]

I find it strangely amusing that the old Vietnam era mantra of "Love it, or leave it" now applies to the the conservatives. Get on board with public consensus, or leave. We are a democratic republic and we must live with it whether we like it, or not. I'm not sure if I like it, in many cases I don't, but it is my country and it is my form of government, and I will live by it.

Isn't that what it stands for? Of the people, by the people, and for the people?

Well?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

All true and shows the crap basis for vote by mail resistance. Really, are Republicans unable to use the mail? Too hard to figure out? Hiding behind some wall of only Republicans are honest and Democrats dishonest? Do you really think only Democrats will vote by mail or are you afraid high voter turnout will show the real public majority view?

Well?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...ostcount=10114


That ansered all these rhetorical question (meaning not you but Trump people trying to reduce the number of opposing voters). Their arguments are as ostensible as that for gerrymandering.

When it is about stealing the vote, anything goes, and no foul excuse is too foul as if it would not be given.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That ansered all these rhetorical question (meaning not you but Trump people trying to reduce the number of opposing voters). Their arguments are as ostensible as that for gerrymandering.

When it is about stealing the vote, anything goes, and no foul excuse is too foul as if it would not be given.

A little info on the vote by mail debate.

Swirling and sudden concerns about the United States Postal Service (USPS) have arisen from Democrats who are wildly accusing President Trump of cheating and manipulating the Postal Service in his favor.

Conveniently they forget to mention the president is more than an arms-length away from how we vote, and the Postal Service is not under the thumb of his control. Senate Democrats joined Republicans to unanimously install postal leadership — of which, one is an Obama appointee.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trum...jason-chaffetz

It must be noted elections in the United States are administered by counties and certified by states. In other words, per the United States Constitution, elections are run locally and not by the executive branch of the federal government.

Ironically, it is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s H.R. 1 that seeks to federalize elections and give the president power he doesn’t currently have now. Her solution would create the problem she inaccurately blames Trump for today.

The president of the United States does not control the operations of the Postal Service nor does he select or appoint the Postmaster General. The Board of Governors does both of these things. The Postal Regulatory Commission sets rates, service levels and decides on postal closings, not the president.

The Postal Service offers a variety of products and services. Pay for First Class mail and you get faster service. Pay for bulk mail and you get much slower service. It’s been that way for a long, long time. It’s not something President Trump conjured up to manipulate the election. And Pelosi and Schumer know it.

The internet is a marvelous thing. Information there is free and easily discovered.

[Skybird]

"People who are still serving in this administration have said to me: Just wait until the second term! There will be no holds barred,m it will be Shock and Awe. We will do what we want!"


Didn't I said something similiar repeatedly?




Want more? Here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC03...JyiStTnqasADVg
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[Catfish]

Originally Posted by u crank

The internet is a marvelous thing. Information there is free and easily discovered.

Yes, isn't it? And the world is so easy and pro-Trump according to Fox and friends.

Trump even admits he is undermining USPS to make it harder to vote by mail.
The USPS has longstanding financial woes, the limited resources are stretched thinner during the pandemic.
Up jumps Trump and threatens to dismantle the agency and privatize it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ection-funding

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ection-funding



https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526

https://apnews.com/14a2ceda724623604cc8d8e5ab9890ed

Privatizing even might be a good idea, but not now and not in this situation. Trump surely wants to pay the debt with public money (read: taxes), then sell it to some private company for a symbolic dollar.
Socialize losses, privatize wins. And win the election via the side-effect.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Yes, isn't it? And the world is so easy and pro-Trump according to Fox and friends.

And once again we attack the messenger but don't debate the message. Why? Can you dispute any thing that Jason Chaffetz said in that article? Anything? Did you understand it?

Trump says a lot of stupid things. Nancy Pelosi says a lot of stupid things. People in the media say a lot of stupid things.

President Trump is not the God/King/Dictator that so many on the left imagine him to be. He is restrained by Congress, the Constitution and the Courts. Every single ruling by the courts that has gone against the Trump administration has been obeyed.

It doesn't matter what Trump says. It doesn't matter what he says he can do or even what he thinks he can do. It matters what he can do.

Internet is better than the Guardian or Fox News.

[Cybermat47]

How accurate would it be to say that Democrats and Republicans view each other as America’s true enemy these days? Because as an outsider, it honestly looks like both sides are more focused on each other than, say, the militarist and extremely anti-American nations of communist North Korea and Islamist Iran.

[Hawk66]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

How accurate would it be to say that Democrats and Republicans view each other as America’s true enemy these days? Because as an outsider, it honestly looks like both sides are more focused on each other than, say, the militarist and extremely anti-American nations of communist North Korea and Islamist Iran.

Well said. I have the feeling that emotions irrationally have taken over rational behavior. Instead of debating who has better recipes for managing the issues within the country. My impression is that this does not happen, since a lot of people seem to have lost the ability to listen and argue on base of facts and science and not emotions. No democracy will last for ever with this mindset. A constitution does not help here either on the long run. A democracy has to be lived (good example is Switzerland) by the people, not by some ink on paper...

Although I do not view Trump as Republican... he is not a conservative by any means and I guess most Republican share this view although they might not admit it, especially those who need him currently.

I guess those veterans/group express it quite well: .

Although much more Reps. would need to rise up to make a change now IMHO. Before they do not get rid of Trump , they will not manage to go back to the roots of Ronald Reagan and find their soul again...