Interesting intermitten crash

1Patriotofmany · 11-18-23, 03:23 AM

I noticed this on KSD, I'll have what i assume to be a bad save and typically I'll delete that save and start at a good save. But instead I restarted the computer and then the save loaded. I've found that if I start the computer and dink around with email, facebook browse the web ect and then start a saved game it will crash, but if I start the computer and then go straight to the game, the save that was crashing on loading will now load properly!
Any of you more tech guys have a clue why that would be?

propbeanie · 11-18-23, 08:53 AM

When you run some apps, they leave bits and pieces of their detritus behind, sometimes on purpose. You might find something left behind in the systray from them. Usually though, its just a memory allocation thing, where either the program did not return memory used back to the pool, or Windows itself did not release the memory. Add in to that, SH4 is a 32-bit app, and Windows allocates a finite space in RAM for a 32-bit area that all 32-bit apps use, so if any of the RAM shenanigans are from 32-bit apps, that restricts how much is available for the next 32-bit app, and SH4 in stock trim is borderline on being able to run in the normal allocation. Be sure you have either LAA or 4Gig Patch enabled on the SH4.exe in your KSD folder, but it seems to me that it is on there by default... KSD is a rather large mod.

pmcmull · 11-18-23, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Patriotofmany

I noticed this on KSD, I'll have what i assume to be a bad save and typically I'll delete that save and start at a good save. But instead I restarted the computer and then the save loaded. I've found that if I start the computer and dink around with email, facebook browse the web ect and then start a saved game it will crash, but if I start the computer and then go straight to the game, the save that was crashing on loading will now load properly!
Any of you more tech guys have a clue why that would be?

If a Windows restart solves the problem of being able to load a save and run SH4, that is a sign that memory allocation is the problem. SH4 wants a lot of memory and does not want to share. Close all the browser windows and any other apps that you may have opened.

if you are running on Win10, use the Task Manager to examine what is running and now much memory those are using. Right-click on the taskbar gets you to where you can start Task Manager. Processes can be closed from the Task Manager by doing an 'End Task' but you have to be careful about which to stop.

I have 2 PCs that I can use to run SH4. Both are quite similar but one is slightly faster and has a slightly better video card. On the one that is my office machine, I can't run FOTRSU without crashes because it has too much 'stuff' on it. The other one with a lot less apps and helper programs runs FOTRSU and is stable.

11-18-23, 03:23 AM	#1
1Patriotofmany Commander Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 455 Downloads: 95 Uploads: 0	Interesting intermitten crash I noticed this on KSD, I'll have what i assume to be a bad save and typically I'll delete that save and start at a good save. But instead I restarted the computer and then the save loaded. I've found that if I start the computer and dink around with email, facebook browse the web ect and then start a saved game it will crash, but if I start the computer and then go straight to the game, the save that was crashing on loading will now load properly! Any of you more tech guys have a clue why that would be?

11-18-23, 08:53 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,761 Downloads: 441 Uploads: 2	When you run some apps, they leave bits and pieces of their detritus behind, sometimes on purpose. You might find something left behind in the systray from them. Usually though, its just a memory allocation thing, where either the program did not return memory used back to the pool, or Windows itself did not release the memory. Add in to that, SH4 is a 32-bit app, and Windows allocates a finite space in RAM for a 32-bit area that all 32-bit apps use, so if any of the RAM shenanigans are from 32-bit apps, that restricts how much is available for the next 32-bit app, and SH4 in stock trim is borderline on being able to run in the normal allocation. Be sure you have either LAA or 4Gig Patch enabled on the SH4.exe in your KSD folder, but it seems to me that it is on there by default... KSD is a rather large mod. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna Last edited by propbeanie; 11-18-23 at 09:17 AM.