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[Stevepine]

Originally Posted by Zedi

Maybe Im wrong, but some of the gwx guys hit us first by calling the whole SH5 moders a bunch of thiefs and so on. Why? Because some moders "imported" stuff from SH3-4 and made it available for SH5. For free. So when pointing out egos, look in to your own yard first.

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.

I pointed out the egotistical nature of a several modders but I would like to say Im not part of the GWX team. lol I couldn't mod a game if it was written in BBC basic!

Im just a player who thinks squabbling like this is pathetic and petty but youre right...it just shows the community to not really be a community at all. More like a bunch of different individuals and little factions who happen to have a common goal so they post on the same forum.

[TheBeast]

Originally Posted by Zedi

Maybe Im wrong, but some of the gwx guys hit us first by calling the whole SH5 moders a bunch of thiefs and so on. Why? Because some moders "imported" stuff from SH3-4 and made it available for SH5. For free. So when pointing out egos, look in to your own yard first.

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by TheBeast

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

Why dont you post this "I am just throwing this out there." in this thread where you may get some answers?

[JU_88]

I'd say for the sake of everyone's sanity, it's best well drop this and get back to the original topic, I already regret my own part of this mess.

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by TheBeast

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

Point me out 1 (ONE) ship that you think is not from stock SH4. One! If not, maybe is time for apologies.

I dont have SH4, but Ive had a look here and all imported ships are from the stock roster. More than that, some of the ships are from a SH4 imported ships mod made by Uekel from the german forum and he gave permission to use his work. So again, why we are called thiefs?!?

[stoianm]

...why you are supousing all of those things my friend?... they are not true

Originally Posted by TheBeast

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by TheBeast

I am just throwing this out there.

Originally Posted by Zedi

Point me out 1 (ONE) ship that you think is not from stock SH4. One! If not, maybe is time for apologies.

I dont have SH4, but Ive had a look here and all imported ships are from the stock roster. More than that, some of the ships are from a SH4 imported ships mod made by Uekel from the german forum and he gave permission to use his work. So again, why we are called thiefs?!?

Here is your answer Beast.

[DrJones]

What's going up here.

I thought this thread is for those who is interessted in improving SH5 and not to blame each other.

Can we please come back to the topic of this thread???

When i read what is written here i'm curious about what some people might say or ask me about the MaGui Interface wich i think i will release at the end of the next month.

I hope i don't have to justify each line of code i've written to anybody

But i think, if there is anybody who will accuse me that i have stollen anything from someone i will retire instantly from this forum.

I'm not in the mood spending so much time in coding, design and documentation for an open mod for the community while the half of the community mauls each other.

Regrads

DrJones

[longam]

This thread is a perfect example why its so hard for Mods these days to work together. You would think that our lives were in jeopardy if something happened to what I made for a game that most don't even play anymore.

[Pablo]

Hi!

Folks might want to review what Paradox is doing withe the Hearts of Iron-family of games, and compare that to this hypothetical alliance between Ubisoft and the modding community.

I have a few observations:

1. You need only review the posts to get an understanding of how inflated egos and the nursing of old grudges are going to have to be subordinated to team goals in order for anything like this project to succeed. Thus far, I'd say the odds of this happening appear low.

2. You should have a thorough understanding of your rights, responsibilities, and obligations before embarking on such a project. If you're serious about this, consult an attorney. For example, could you be sued by Ubisoft for breach of contract if you failed to perform any of the tasks you'd been assigned or had agreed to perform?

3. I would start by consulting a knowledgeable attorney and providing them a copy of the SH5 EULA you agreed to, and then ask their advice before before you go about reverse engineering the software on your own or trying to stop Ubisoft from using material you've created in one of your mods.

My guess is that Ubisoft won't care as long as they're getting all the money, but if they get even a whiff that someone else is making money on their product as a result of your "hacks" (or whatever) that the game will soon be over.

Anyways, just my $0.02!

Pablo

[JU_88]

Hey Pablo, good to see your still around,
I think its fair to say that consulting an attourney is not a step that any one indervidual will be prepared to take, you know how much they charge per hour?
If taking legal advice was advised for this hypothetical project, then i don't think anyone will want to be getting involved. I certainly wouldn't.
Ubisoft themselves would run a mile from this at the first sign of even a 'potential' legal problem.

whatever we get from UBI (if anything at all) I doubt it will alot and Im pretty certain that no-one is going to get paid and no one is going to get sued.

[Alex]

I concur, it's nice to see you Pablo !

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[anzacmick]

huh

[oscar19681]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

In regards to Oscar, I think he missed a few pages of reading and is not fully informed on the goings on lately, that is all I meant by that.....

What makes you think i,m not up to date. I check this thread and the forums on a regulare basis. there is a reason why i have 2471 posts so far.
And saying things like "Sorry, not my fault your not aware......" is uncalled for. Anyway like some others said here on this forum i to find it hard to understand
that people throw the idea out of the window without even giving it a fair chance.

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

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Anyway like some others said here on this forum i to find it hard to understand
that people throw the idea out of the window without even giving it a fair chance.

I think it would be polite if Ubi will contact us and make this proposal. Day by day moders are spending huge amount of time from their personal life to improve a game owned by Ubi. That way Ubi earn more money day by day doing absolutely nothing. We are also the best support for this game as everybody who got some problems will always get help here, none on those so called official support websites where is impossible to get any help.

What we get back from Ubi? A middle finger in the face. I think the moding community have already an important share on this game intellectual property as what the players need in order to be able to play the game is already 90% moded.